Level Up System : V - Skyrim

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:35 am

As an atheist, if there are any mention of "Gods" in Skyrim, I'm just not going to buy the game. Oblivion was ruined because of the Nine Divines.

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With that nonsense out of the way, I support the "sleep in bed" method.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:25 pm

I kind of think it's a bit silly to be discussing the most "realistic" way to level up when the very act of doing so has always seemed very artificial to me, to begin with.

Yeah, in real life, I am a Level 3 Biker, Level 18 Foosballer, and a Level 37 Engineer.

While I enjoy the leveling up aspect of games it isn't really translatable to real life. The closest we have are ranking systems in games like chess or sports. Maybe?

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:40 am

As an atheist, if there are any mention of "Gods" in Skyrim, I'm just not going to buy the game. Oblivion was ruined because of the Nine Divines.

I'm an atheist as well, but this is a fictional universe, not the real universe. I also don't believe in magic IRL, but does that stop me from playing games, reading books, or watching films that have magic in them? Hell, I almost always play mages.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:59 pm

As an atheist, if there are any mention of "Gods" in Skyrim, I'm just not going to buy the game. Oblivion was ruined because of the Nine Divines.

Lol that's ridiculous. I'm an atheist and I realize the difference between fantasy and reality. The Divines are a HUGE part of the universe. As are the Daedra. Their world isn't ours. In fact, I'm an atheist irl and I play a devout daedra worshipper.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:00 pm

Level Automatically after the battle. or in non battle situations.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:23 am

I think the button press is a good, simple and fast method, but sleeping works just fine for me. The only problem is that you cannot stay at your current level. It's like Nightmare on Elm Street if you don't wanna level up - "whatever you do, don't fall asleep".

I also greatly enjoyed how sleeping was made even more important in New Vegas on hardcoe mode. I sincerely hope Skyrim ships with a hardcoe mode, as I played New Vegas on hardcoe only and not once did I ever feel that it constricted me to a fault (a potential problem with such features, making the annoyment higher than the enjoyment).

In Oblivion, the only reason for sleeping (other than RP) was to level up, as well as update certain quests that required you to sleep. "Well Rested" is also a good thing, it rewards you for sleeping (rather than penalizing you for not doing it). In any case, the point of Sleeping must be that you'll get something worthwhile out of it, whether it's leveling or just a "well rested" buff.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:45 am

Lol that's ridiculous. I'm an atheist and I realize the difference between fantasy and reality. The Divines are a HUGE part of the universe. As are the Daedra. Their world isn't ours. In fact, I'm an atheist irl and I play a devout daedra worshipper.

Everquest deals with this well. There are no atheists for the simple reason that the gods can be seen. Similarly in TES the power of the gods is very real at alters and temples and such. That doesn't mean everyone deems them worthy of worship, however. The agnostics in Everquest are like this in that they do not worship the gods, even though they know they exist. They simply see them as powerful beings. I'd imagine it works similarly in TES.

In any case, sleeping to level up is a tradition I like.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:06 am

I liked the idea of sleeping to level up, but I don't like forgetting to sleep/ can't find a bed and end up going up 3 levels before I can see the benefits.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:24 am

I'd prefer they do away with levelling (except possibly as a hidden mechanic for level-scaling purposes). Sadly won't happen so automatic and as unobtrusive as possible.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:19 am

I would also go with sleeping. It just make sense for me because of the same reasons as previously stated.

That being said, Todd talks about the d-pad on xbox and how pressing up would make you go to the stars and see your skills, picking perks and then seeing these perks as stars in the real world. Could this be a pointer to picking perks/lvling up could be done on the run. Or are the lvl up different then picking perks ?

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:29 am

I hope this is tongue in cheek. I could understand someone of a more fundamentalist bent not playing games that feature or present other gods in the way that TES does.... but I'd be surprised that one whose faith is nothingness would hold such a dogmatic stance about what they presume to be false.

TES lore is 100% wrapped up in gods and other mystical gobbledygook.

Dude, I'm a Christian and I have no problem with the Gods in Tamriel, it's fiction. I think Commandant Oreo has a problem if his belief is so fragile he can't enjoy a game because of fictional religious elements.

On topic; I like sleeping to level up. As others have said, it is the sleep after studying or excersing that gives the most growth physicaly and mentaly. It gives you time to rest, heal and process information on a subconcious level.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:32 pm

Have you ever noticed that if you study the day before a test, you remember the material much better than if you study just the day of the test? You're brain is actually VERY active during sleep.

Sorry for that i Edited it and it makes sense because you meditate what you have learned you remember what you have learned But it's only memories wont get better at anything

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:07 am

I liked having to sleep to level up. It just felt right.

Also, I hope they keep the "Level up" Blurbs. They were always so inspirational, except for the lvl.20 repeater. That was just kind of... depressing.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:34 am

I don't really care.

But what I don't see listed is skipping level ups and levels all together. Just track experience points, and use that to scale encounters and loot.

Skill increases, attributes, etc. just don't increase like *shazam* overnight, by reading a book, etc. It's a continuous process, so just make usage benchmarks for selecting perks or attribute increases. NO need for notification of advancing levels or skills, just use what you want to in order to increase ability or unlock perks. You won't know you have a perk until you try to use it, and not select it off a menu.

Ya, a bit outlandish, but I haven't had my caffine yet!

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:11 pm

On the contrary, I say sleeping makes the most sense. You fight, you use spells, you perform alchemy and smithing and all that, but sleeping on it and waking up to reflect on all of that is where the level up takes place, and rightfully so. After you sleep, you feel rejuvenated. You feel better than ever.

This.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:56 am

I'm fine with sleeping to increase level, but I'm fine with not doing that too, I don't care too much about the actual proccess for leveling up as long as I get to do it, though I'd rather leveling up be triggered by doing something, either sleeping or pressing some button in the menu or something, rather than how Fallout 3 did it, because it got kind of annoying when the level up menu came up as soon as I finished combat, just tell me I've gained enough experience to advance to the nxt level and let me do it when I'm ready.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:49 am

On the contrary, I say sleeping makes the most sense. You fight, you use spells, you perform alchemy and smithing and all that, but sleeping on it and waking up to reflect on all of that is where the level up takes place, and rightfully so. After you sleep, you feel rejuvenated. You feel better than ever.

This. Well said.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:08 am

People really underestimate sleep on these forums. Really sleep is durned amazing, being able to sleep is like having some sort of a superpower, doesn′t make sense how immensly good for your body and mentality sleeping is.

If you get a good nights sleep then a lot happens, to mention something that happens to the body for starters, as you sleep the body reconstructs bad and damaged cells, it removes those it does not need, repairs those that are damaged and creates new cells where needed. And when it comes to the mind and learning, the brain processes most of the information you come across over the day and engraves it into your long term memory, you can even perform better at a task the day after sleeping than while learning the task the day before.

I can take a very recent example, but self stories are boring, so feel free to skip my little story of self, it′s here though if you′re intrested.

Spoiler

I was trying to learn how to count to ten in Japanese the other day when I kept having problems when recounting the numbers outloud, I′d either forget one number, switch them or accidentally say a different number than I intended (this can happen for example with the number 4, I was trying to learn the prefered way of counting where you say yon but no shi, but because the number 3 is 'san' I kept saying shi by accident just out of habit since I first read the numbers that way and it rolls from your toung a lot easier saying "san shi" than "san yon") so basically while it′s a task that is pretty easy to do I was pretty tired and couldn′t get it right after 8 tries in a row... (D: yeah I′m slow...) so I decided to just go to bed and try the next day since I was pretty darn tired.

The next day I had forgotten all about that I was going to go over the numbers again and I went on my way to prepare for work, not having google or any word book around I decided to try and go over the numbers by memory, only to find that I could recount the exact row of the numbers perfectly on the first try, I hadn′t even expected to manage that without checking the numbers first so I went over the row in my mind a few more times and then checked on the internet... and I was getting it right. Your mind is a lot clearer after a good nights sleep and you process the information you were collecting over the day really well during sleep. Now of course it doesn′t matter if I′m tired or not, it′s something I just remember as clearly as I remember how to count to ten in my home language and in English, it′s just too ingraved in my mind to forget by now.

So I don′t think there is any reason why sleep would be so bad in Nirn that people could get by without it, the warriors just pump their muscles and don′t need any sleep to let the body heal any ruptured capillaries and the mages don′t need to memorize things for the long term by sleeping, their mind is always clear and they learn things 100% on their first try, pff who needs REM sleep anyway for the consolidation of memories, not great Nirn mages, nu-uh.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:12 am

Let me sleep on it! Just kidding. I never really understood the reason you had to sleep to raise your level. If you had enough experience by actually doing things then why need to sleep? I would rather just click a button and go to the level up screen, if not in combat or hostiles nearby. I wouldn't want automatic or it pops up during combat as it would be an interuption I wouldn't want.

Sleep studies have shown that more learning of new skills actually takes place during sleep than during actual training.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:00 pm

What does the poll option "automatic" mean?

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:10 am

I think the button press is a good, simple and fast method, but sleeping works just fine for me. The only problem is that you cannot stay at your current level. It's like Nightmare on Elm Street if you don't wanna level up - "whatever you do, don't fall asleep".

I also greatly enjoyed how sleeping was made even more important in New Vegas on hardcoe mode. I sincerely hope Skyrim ships with a hardcoe mode, as I played New Vegas on hardcoe only and not once did I ever feel that it constricted me to a fault (a potential problem with such features, making the annoyment higher than the enjoyment).

In Oblivion, the only reason for sleeping (other than RP) was to level up, as well as update certain quests that required you to sleep. "Well Rested" is also a good thing, it rewards you for sleeping (rather than penalizing you for not doing it). In any case, the point of Sleeping must be that you'll get something worthwhile out of it, whether it's leveling or just a "well rested" buff.

I agree, loved the hardcoe mode.

Sleeping makes the most sense for levelling up. A lot of writers will say that they come up with most of their good ideas during the night..

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:01 pm

Signature.. If I haven't changed it

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:12 am

Signature.. If I haven't changed it

What?

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:02 am

What?

this is what he is trying to say Wise Man Once Said: You MEDITATE not SLEEP.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:09 am

Signature.. If I haven't changed it

You don′t HAVE to go back to town... no one is forcing you, not even the numbers since if you play for the numbercrunshing I think this may not be the best game, and if it is just for the numbercrunshing then you won′t care much about immersion and quests.

Also meditating doesn′t do squat compared to sleep.