Leveled lists

Post » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:47 pm

Noob question about leveled lists. If I want to add Raider items (helmets, spads) from Tailor Maid to leveled lists, should I edit existing ones or add new ones? I'd also want it to be compatible with other mods (FWE/MMM etc.). Any concerns regarding this?

Is there a guide besides http://geck.gamesas.com/index.php/LeveledItem?
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Post » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:30 pm

Using http://geck.gamesas.com/index.php/AddFormToFormList will allow you add a form to a form list from within the game via script instead of adding the form to lists using the Geck. This should ensure there are no conflicts with other mods that affect the form lists you want to edit. If you want raiders to choose your added armor objects for their own use, you will have to edit the existing forms. You could create your own form list in the Geck of all of the items, then add that list to a list of form lists that the game uses. Note that leveled lists often are made up of other leveled lists that are made up of other leveled lists, but at some point there will be a list of just the items themselves.
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Post » Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:02 pm

Using http://geck.gamesas.com/index.php/AddFormToFormList will allow you add a form to a form list from within the game via script instead of adding the form to lists using the Geck. This should ensure there are no conflicts with other mods that affect the form lists you want to edit. If you want raiders to choose your added armor objects for their own use, you will have to edit the existing forms. You could create your own form list in the Geck of all of the items, then add that list to a list of form lists that the game uses. Note that leveled lists often are made up of other leveled lists that are made up of other leveled lists, but at some point there will be a list of just the items themselves.


Thanks for the info. As I want them to equip the stuff I guess I'll mimic how its set up in vanilla, just adding Tailor items.

Just realized that adding Spads is a bit more complicated as some fit with certain armors and not others, so you'd want Spad Painspike to have a chance of being added to Raiders NOT wearing Painspike Armor etc. I'll start with the helmets - seems pretty straightforward.
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Post » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:35 am

Spads - Shoulder pads? I'm guessing. But if you want a combo, you'd have to make several lists that are made up of the combos, then make a leveled list of the combo lists, then add that list to the vanilla list. Look at the 'WithAmmo...' lists. Those are combos of weapons and ammo together. You'd do something similar with your armor and spads.
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Post » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:10 am

Spads - Shoulder pads? I'm guessing.


Good guess and sorry for being vague. Tailor Maid adds spads, shoulder pads from different vanilla sets, but also other items like it, ammo belts, gauntlets etc., making for lots of possible variations for armor sets.

But if you want a combo, you'd have to make several lists that are made up of the combos, then make a leveled list of the combo lists, then add that list to the vanilla list. Look at the 'WithAmmo...' lists. Those are combos of weapons and ammo together. You'd do something similar with your armor and spads.


Yes, that sounds best. Basically setting up a bunch of combos manually.

I wonder about leveled lists in general. With Oblivion you can use the Bashed Patch that comes with Wrye Bash to make lots of altered and added lists play nicely together. Won't my changes to the Raider lists override changes made by mods that load earlier - and be overridden by ones loading after it? :unsure:
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Post » Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:31 pm

Yes they would if you edit those lists in the Geck. But if you made your lists be sub-lists of another list, you could add that 'master' list using the AddFormToFormList function from within the game via a quest script that deactivates itself after adjusting the vanilla list. You could add several forms/lists that way as well. But if you only want your actors to use your equipment lists and not ever have a chance to use anything from the vanilla lists, then you would be replacing the vanilla list and would have to worry about conflicts. It all depends on what you want to accomplish. Replacers can cause conflicts, but adding options doesn't have to.
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Post » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:23 pm

Yes they would if you edit those lists in the Geck. But if you made your lists be sub-lists of another list, you could add that 'master' list using the AddFormToFormList function from within the game via a quest script that deactivates itself after adjusting the vanilla list. You could add several forms/lists that way as well. But if you only want your actors to use your equipment lists and not ever have a chance to use anything from the vanilla lists, then you would be replacing the vanilla list and would have to worry about conflicts. It all depends on what you want to accomplish. Replacers can cause conflicts, but adding options doesn't have to.


OK, then AddFormToFormList seems the way to go. I'd want Raiders to have a chance of getting the vanilla armor sets as well as the added ones.
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