Figure out the search function, it should be easy for such an obvious pro :rolleyes:

Gee whilekers, one post half a year ago?

Well I proved they do post here didn't I.

Anyway back on topic. I would like to be able to customize my Lich in TES V. I shouldn't have to look just like any other Lich in the game I should be able to change outfits if I want to I defineately don't want to have to wear a crown on my head if I don't want to. :flame:

To Spider Pig, by off chance i see about 1 of thier posts every couple days/weeks.

No! No more sodding worm cult! please don't ask them for that! lets go back to morrowind's lone practitioner scientist necromancers, not a "guild" with premises and dues and crap like that.

But on teh subject of lichdom, if they can do it well, I'm all for it.

Daggerfall had Mannimarco. And I wouldn't think a necromancer faction would be like a normal guild, more like a really weird cult. No dues, just murder and the retrival of corpses etc. Quest could be really fun.

I think grave robbing would be a damn fun quest. ^_^

We have people wanting Werewolves to makke a return and Vamps as well (if it can be redone the *Right* way), so why should they add the lich thing, unless they're gonna make the Necromancers Guild joinible (an unlikely prospect, as the Nords don't like Necros anymore than any other lawful race). They only *good* aspect is that you don't catch it like lycopanthy or vampirism, you have to work to acheive it.

The US government doesn't like the Mafia, and yet we still have one. :shrug:

Same with the Japanese and the yakuza, the Russians and their Mafia, the Chinese and the Triads, the Italians and the Mafia, etc etc etc.

OH yeah I can just imagine going into a random resturant in china town asking to join the the Triad -.-

Chances are it'll be about the same as poking your nose into the business of the necros... you'll wind up dead... or worse.

Why should they add it? Because people like the idea and asked to be able to become a Lich in Morrowind that didn't happen. Then people asked to be able to become a Lich in Oblivion didn't happen their either. There are several Lich mods and the idea is kicked around every once in a while with more people wanting then those who don't. I understand not everyone is going to be for it everybody is entitled to their opinion. Some of the reasons why people don't want it are because they believe it will svck too much to be a Lich, it won't add anything to the game and/or it removes the coolness of Liches by becoming one. In the end if they do add the ability to become a Lich in TES V some people will like it others won't, but just because some people worry about it not being good doesn't mean they shouldn't try implementing Lichdom in the next game.

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What does that have to do with my refutation of your point that the Nords don't like Necromancers (especially considering the Nord necormancer NPCs in the TES games). ?

IT has everything to do with it. The fact is that the most feasible way to incorpreate becoming a lich is making the Necromancers faction joinible. It would most likely be an unlawful guild and most such factions don't appreciate outsiders poking their noses where it isn't wanted (which is probably attack you on sight most the time).

And my point is that the Nords are a lawful race, and most lawful races frown own necro-activities. And just to point something else out to you... there are a few Dark Elf Necros too... and they hate necros.



ANd most people wanted the ability to become a Vamp and look how well that turned out. All I'm really saying is that if they did it right than that would be nice for peeps who want to walk down that path (I'm not one of those, but w/e) if they don't do it well it'll just give people more reasons to [censored] about it.

The Dark Brotherhood is illegal and joinable :whisper:

Lichdom can be done without being in a necromancer guild that's just one way of doing it. I'm sure not all Liches in TES belonged to Necromancer Guilds. The idea of a Necromancer guild being the pathway to Lichdom is a popular notion but it doesn't mean it's the only way in fact I hope it's not the only way because I don't particularly care about being in a Necromancer Guild.




I think we pretty much learned by now that people can and will [censored] about anything in Elder Scroll game. As far as Vampires go yeah Bethesda hasn't done them good yet but I still like the option to become one, the same goes for becoming a Lich. If they do have Lichdom in the next game somebody will find something wrong with it and [censored] about it endlessly that's a fact it doesn't matter how good it's done some people will still hate it. I like the idea of becoming a Lich I think it would add real choices and consequences that affect the game world and would still be very enjoyable and interesting but that's me and not everyone is going to agree with me.

Agreed on every aspect, never understood why anyone would wanna join up wit that bunch of emo, death fearing losers. And like wise I don't see why anyone would wanna become a lich either, there have to be better, less risky and less horrifying ways to cheat death.






Don't disagree with any point in particular here, or as my friend would say 'Some people would complain with a mouth full of food'. But personally I would rather them not have at all than have it and screw it up (much like horse combat) or as I would say it 'If you don't need it than its unnessecary'. Does it hurt the current games for not having it? Not really. Will it hurt TES V for not having it? Not if they do the rest of the game right.

Because I'm an evil cold blooded [censored] that would do anything for ultimate power and Lichdom fits in perfectly with that.





Yes it does because it would make the game much more interesting.




Yes especially to all of us who want more new and unique things in TES V.




That's a tall order and can't be done really considering people's differences on what would make the game right.

Agreed.


More options are better. More skills, factions, alchemy options, enchanting options, summoning options (one at a time? lame), clothing styles, armour types, weapon types (spears, shuriken, nunchaku, crossbows, pole arms, etc etc)...

Freedom of choice is a beautiful thing in a CRPG.

here are 2 good reasons to forget the idea.

1. Its irreversable... dont try to talk about a godly cure, there is no precident, and honestly no reason to start one. They are despised, even by necromancers.

2. You can barter or trade or go into town as a lich. It breaks the game right there, there is no point.

ill think of more later, maybe.

It doesn't need cure. As long as it's clearly stated to be a permanent change, and you have decent abilities to enjoy the game (Speed attribute is not about 5 and so on). It's a just fine option.
Also: People are still trying to uncover more info and secrets about Liches and Lichdom, so it's not completely impossible to have a cure. It just can't be known by every priest and librarian. It can be some ancient knowledge only Liches can get access to.

Liches have multiple stages. At first the bonuses and drawbacks can be small, but as you dwell deeper into the mysteries of Lichdom, the pros and cons become more extreme. You can have humanlike attributes at first, cover the first skin deformations with clothes and talk like a sore throated person. Later you need illusion and distance to be able to play civil. In the end everyone will flee or try to kill you, except maybe a few Lich fans/too intimidated to fight or flee around the world. Think like cleaning a city to have just 3 people who can stand a full Lich, you can kill them easily if you want. That is the horror and destruction I'd imagine it to be. You don't have to trade or barter, just take, Liches don't even need nor can't carry most of the junk townspeople have.

It shouldn't be as easy to move bethween stages as it is with vampires. Now we know it's easier to evolve as a Lich than to reverse towards humanity. Some complex rituals could allow you to become a more powerful Lich, and even more complex rituals to reverse the effects. But the info how to do them is not brought to you with popups as soon as you first hear about Lichdom.

And I don't care about Lichdom so much.

YES
It would be great!

problem, kalle, noone likes a lich, noone hangs out with a lich, a lich is not like a vampire-- you cant disguise it.

for that reason it doesnt matter if it clearly states its a permanent change becuase noone will want to talk to you in the game, and most will either try to kill you or just run away. so either this "fine option" turns into a straight path to world massacre, or a boring path to having rabbits as your best friends... and i would bet they would run from a lich as well.

aalllso, where are people getting the "stages to lichdom" there are no stages, its either your a lich or your not, you cant become MORE undead once your already there, all you can do is refine your powers (yeah, ive read alot and havent seen anything in canon, so if youve got a link, id be happy to read it), and after gaining the huge amount of power and knowlege to become a lich in the first place, thats kind of pointless.

if people want to use the canon to justify bieng a lich, too bad, the only reason any char int he game has become a lich is because they are evil and want to be immortal. so aside from immortality and the power gained from becoming a lich, its pointless-- it breaks the game, you cant join factions, you cant do the main story line, you cant trade, you cant talk to people (yes, even necromancers, and certainly the Mage's Guild would be very disinclined to speak to a lich). so its a bad idea.
-- but then again, dont mind my logic.. people in support will probably find some reason to vote for it anyway.

I'm all for having Lichdom in the game because as some wise soul said above me(or on a different page) more options are better then fewer in RPG's.

And or the people saying you can't disguise yourself once your a Lich, Well you can. With Illusions!

Hurray for more options! Let's add in an option that bassically makes the game unplayible! I can really see why it needs to be added. (yes, that's massive sarcasm)