I love the series and it being in the US(I'm British), as there is a lot of variety to the place, and the fact that it's so big means you can create many games and areas there without them overlapping if you so wished. Plus, you've got the factions you know and love, BOS, Enclave, Khans, Super Mutants, etc. If you were to start in a different country(if it were to happen, I'd choose the UK for it, it makes the most sense), you'd have to come up with convoluted reasons for how the factions got there, or start with totally new ones. Neither of which I would like.

But I would like to know what the situation in other Nations/Continents is like(if it's been revealed in one of the early FO games, fair enough, I've not played them as my computer simply refuses to play them no matter how I try to get them to work). I'd like to know if the UK, Europe, Australia, Africa, even Antarctica survived.

(Antarctica could be cool for DLC if there was a good explanation for going there. Totally untouched by the bombs, but steadily succumbing to the radiation in the Atmosphere. So everything is intact and they still have thriving communities, but they're beginnings to struggle!)


Thoughts?

Why does it make most sense to be in UK? And you got any evidence that Antarctica aint nuked? The major countries had enough nukes to destroy the world over and over again, so nuking antarctica most have been done at some time.

Because they'll most likely want the game to be in an English speaking country. So outside the USA you've got the UK and Australia. Sure, other countries do have a lot of English speakers, but you're better off with a fully English Speaking one. Anyway, I'm not going to get into a debate about why the UK should be the location as I'm not actually saying that. That's not what this thread is about.

As for Antarctica, there's no evidence it has been nuked. So it'd be easy for Bethesda to say that it hasn't been. Who would nuke somewhere as remote and sparsely populated as there?

I want Fallout to stay in America but it would be nice to have some terminals, pictures, or meet someone who's from a different country (that you can talk to). I'd very much like to see a Far Eastern person that you can talk to in English, ask about the status of their country, how they got there without dying, etc.

But I don't see how Bethesda could do that without jumping the shark. I mean, it's a pretty far cry to say that someone boated over here or walked through miles of irradiated forests and jungles.

That's what I'd quite like to happen.

A way I could see it happen would be involving the Enclave and their Vertibirds. Perhaps they went over there to find out what happened elsewhere when they realised that they were losing their grip on the USA? And then they brought some people back with them to interrogate, perhaps even the leader of the surviving people? I'd forgive the far fetched nature of it to find out more.

I'll bite.

Why would it be jumping shark? "Jumping the Shark" to me means usisng a sensational gimmick to gain patronage. Having one character shedding light on a different loaction in the fallout universe isnt a sensational gimmick, IMO. Lgiht should be shed on the Fallout Universe, even if not in other countries. It only adds depth the world.

It is entirely possible for someone to traverse the seas. It has been 200+ years after the bombs fell.

We have had discussions like this on these forums before, regarding Tenpenny and why there isnt more backstory to him.
He would be the perfect type of character to share some info on what heppened in an extra-US country.

There has been talk in thosediscussions on how mutated sea monsters would make trans oceanic travel impossible, but that is all speculation.
Then people mentioned that there would be no boats left. That is also speculation. It is also speculation that people couldnt build boats after the great war. We do have factions and towns that are building some fairly complex machinery and tool assemblies that are much more evolved than displacing weight well enough in water to float. people have been sea farers since before recorded history.

People always have and always will explore, provided they have the means.
We do not have any evidence that those means are not available; if introduced there would be nothing wrong with it. I would just hope it would be done with more depth than Tenpenny was.

As far as jungles. I don't see why not.
Survivors need to survive. If they need supplies, or to evade hosile groups to do so, they will- even if it means traversing through the path less traveled. You might actually say that there is a better chance in finding things to scavenge in places that most haven't gone since the bombs dropped.




Another way to go about it would be that HAM radios would most likely still be working.
IF ther was a newtork of HAM operators communicating and taking notes on whats left of each others countries, then it's pretty easy to say that we could see what went down in other places.

I would much rather the idea of a character in game telling the player what the world is like where they fleed from.
How the culture was.. Perhaps detailing traditional vs/p[ost apoc life in that country- how the culture had changed.

if not the entire world, i would like to at least know what happened in the major areas of the world. Canada, for example, had been annexed by the US, making it not only a possible host for a fallout game, but logical to know what happened in Canada. China obviously would be a topic of discussion along with Europe as a whole and Russia near Moscow/Leningrad/Stalingrad.

Is that you, Vajan?

Also, if you want to discuss locations, there's already a topic for it. Use it.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1361798-official-future-fallout-locations-suggestions-topic-14/

I made this thread as I'm not proposing other countries as a potential place for the game to be set, but rather, I'd simply like to be able to learn about them. I don't think it belongs in that thread.

Both have to do with locations, whether learning or going to them. It fits well enough, and a mod is likely to come across this anyway and tell you the same, and link you to what I did.

ok, so i had the greatest idea for an international fallout: a mexican fallout. raul said that mexico city was hit hard, and that petro chico was a huge spanish buisness. why not? and at that, include the gulf islands. jamaica, cuba( including a line of leaders decended from fidel castro to make it interesting) and the bahamas and such. haiti and the dominican republic would be interesting, to. then add florida, lousiana, and south texas. it would be fallout 4, the nuclear gulf.

I'd much rather they didn't as this has nothing to do with where I want the next game set. And the other thread states 'This thread should be used to discuss the different settings you think would work for a future Fallout game'

Wrong thread, this is merely about learning what happened in other areas of the world, not where a game should be set.

If the topic is simply about wanting to learn more about what happened to other nations in future games, you could post that here ===> http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1362764-fallout-4-speculation-suggestions-ideas-thread-58/

But I can tell you what happened to every single nation on Earth. They were all destroyed during the Great War of October 23, 2077. It was a all out global nuclear war, everyone that had nukes let them fly and everyone was destroyed. Of course there would be survivors all around the world, but they would be doing what the people in America area doing, building new nations, empires and city states.

"The US would annex Canada and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarrelling bickering nation states bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth. In 2077 the storm of World War had come again. In two brief hours most of the planet was reduced to cinders" - Fallout Intro

"The end of the world" "The Earth was nearly wiped clean of life. A great cleansing, an atomic spark struck by human hands quickly raged out of control." "Humanity was almost extinguished." Fallout 2 Intro

"The world was plunged into an abyss of nuclear fire and radiation." ". For man had succeeded in destroying the world." Fallout 3 intro

no fun!
almost all of the threads on page 1 of this subforum could be put in that generic thread (sub-sub forum) to be glossed over when a new (sub) topic is brought up.




Those quotes don't distinguish the US from the rest of the world, yet, there is more story to be told in the US, no?

Fallout is, of course, about the US but the OP isnt suggesting that it isn't. Only wondering details about the rest of the world.
I think it is valid, given that there were most likely US forces in other countries at the time of the great war. Those countries' stories could speak to the greater US story leading up to the great war. Were there US forces that were abroad that were able to ride out the nuke storm along the natives of other countries? Would those survivors and their progeny attempt to return to the US to see what happened? Would foreigners come with in the hopes that one of the two big pre great war powers- which did survive the resource wars *lightbulb* - could have resources left, post great war?


I guess I dont like absolutes much. Theres all this grey area that seems to get dismissed rather quickly.

Antarctica has literally no reason to be nuked, there isn't even a permant human population on it, its just minor scientific expeditions. Anyone nuking it would simply be doing it for giggles. That's completely contrary to the concept of MAD.

Point Lookout wasn't nuked for Christ's sakes, and its only a hundred or so miles from the capital. Its not like the countries had enough nukes to hit every square foot of land in the world.

So its a damn safe bet that Antarctica remains untouched by actual bombs. Radiation however, would be another story.

This topic comes up alot, and I am sure a simple search would find one.

No there were no American forces stationed anywhere outside of the United States other than China. Keep in mind Canada parts of Mexico would be considered apart of America.

America no longer had any friends or allies anywhere in the world. The world told them to go to hell and the rest of the world said the same back. America become extreme isolationists and closed their borders. There were no longer natural resources such as oil to protect. No need to have bases and no longer had allies or friends to help.

America was busy annexing Canada, taking over Mexico and invading China.

Antartica has a number of research and military bases in our timeline. I would also imagine the need to find every last drop of oil and uranimum in the Fallout Universe would have brought more to Antartica. I doubt it would have been nuked as bad as the rest of the world, but there would be targets there. But like you said the radiation and I am sure the global temp spike (cause it would be in fire) would mess things up there as well.

This is exactly the sort of thing I mean. I'd love for them to let us know what happened.

I honestly did not know that.

I stand corrected.

Edit: Did you mean the Fallout timeline or in real-life? As Antarctica has limited scientific bases in real life but I'm almost positive it has no military bases due to an international ban on using the island to station military troops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

I meant in our timeline. I know of at least one military base there, maybe the only one McMurdo Station ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station It is a "scientific station" yet that treaty doesn't stop military tech and personal from being there. ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_activity_in_the_Antarctic

Also that treaty wasn't made till 1961, so in Fallout it might never have happened. So there could have been real active military bases there, that would have been targets. Even if there weren't places like McMurdo would be targets.

True enough, and with the breakdown in international relations and the dissolving of the UN it wouldn't have mattered anyway at some point.


Personally I doubt it. Simply being a military base doesn't mean that it would have had a nuclear weapon targeted on it. Point Lookout has a detention center and a nuke wasn't dropped within miles of it.

Antarctica has no strategic value whatsoever, and the harshness and remoteness of the land means that without supplies those military bases will become inoperable at some point without resupply. I can't see it being a target at all. Better to send that extra nuke to the country of the bases origin.

Now if somehow Antarctica held a nuclear weapons launch bunker in the Fallout timeline, then I could see weapons being deployed there, simply because silos are priority one targets.

It has stratigic value. It is at the bottom of the world. If there is nothing there but sciences bases, than I agree why waste a nuke? But I can see there being naval bases, nuclear weapons bases there worthy of a target.

Antartica would be IMO the only acception to America having bases outside of the United States. Given that Antartica is pretty much owned by no one. There are claims to it, but with the UN gone, the EU gone and no real international relations anymore, a country like New Zealand isn't going to challenge America over a chunk of Antartica.

Which is all well and good if military and navel bases can be supplied and maintained. When a nuclear war occurs, the point is to eradicate the country. When the country is gone, what good is a few lonely military bases on Antarctica that can't be supplied?

Any strategic value goes out the window when military operations can't be maintained on it.


It depends on how developed the bases are that we are talking about here. If Antarctica was turned into a place which holds a significant percentage of the U.S. operating naval fleet, then yes. If it has only a few ships then I still say it would be pointless to launch a nuke there.

And of course, if it has any nukes at all (even ships capable of launching nuclear weapons) its almost certainly going to be a target.


Never underestimate the tenacity of the New Zealand armed forces.

Stubborn devils they are.

The war took place 250 years before the game. USA didn't even exist 250 years ago.
So why should the whole world be entirely destroyed except USA ?
If a governement collapses it doesn't mean there wil never be one again. and because people in USA could not gather and rebuild doesn't mean elsewhere they didn't rebuild better even with few survivors. 250 years is more than enough to grow a population again. Here, USA could be the exception unable to gather forces and rebuild where others could
Yes, it would be interesting to know what the world looks like 250 years after the war in other places of the world