No lip syncing for the first greeting : IV

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:32 am

Another non-game breaking but really annoying problem with a huge mod install here. Wasn't a problem before but playing on, this is really getting on my nerves

Anytime I talk to any NPC in the game for the first time, they voice their dialogues, but their lips stay shut! Talking to them again (either by continuing the conversation of just reinitiating their dialogue) properly gives me moving lips (so it's not missing .lip files)

I have a BAIN install going on with fully unpacked BSAs (and replacing the original BSAs with renamed ArchiveInvalidated!.bsas) I also have Elys silent voices on OBSE v20b5 if that matters.

Load order:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 underdark.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.2]
03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
05 Children Of Rourken.esm
06 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.73]
07 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
08 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
09 VASE - core.esm
0A TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0B FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0C Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0D Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]
0E Hemingweys Capes Improved.esm [Version 3.0b]
0F Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
10 CustomSpellIcons.esm
11 The Arsenal.esm
12 Ayleid Power Stones.esm
13 TRoN.esp
** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
** TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
14 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.3]
15 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
16 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
17 SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp [Version 1.30]
18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
19 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
1A Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
1B Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp
1C Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1D FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1E Fran Armor Add-on.esp
1F Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
20 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
21 All Natural.esp [Version 1.2]
22 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.2.1]
23 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
++ Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp [Version 0.2]
++ Real Lava 1.3.esp
++ ln.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
24 AmbientTownSounds.esp
25 MIS.esp
26 MIS Low Wind.esp
27 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
28 Rainbows.esp
29 Cities Alive At Night.esp
2A WindowLightingSystem.esp
2B Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
2C Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp
2D Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
++ Cobl Bookjackets.esp
2E VipCxj_BulletCamera.esp
2F Better Clocks.esp
++ Days&Months.esp
30 ImprovedSigns.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]
31 more_broadsheets.esp
32 My Voice Extender.esp
33 P1DseeYouSleep.esp
34 Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp
35 Reset the Blood Decal Variable.esp
++ MW_Booze, Cobl.esp
++ AC_Gold_Coins.esp
36 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.1]
37 Crowded Cities 30.esp
38 Crowded Roads Revisited.esp [Version 1.1]
39 Crowded Roads Revisited_ChorrolCheydinhal_25.esp
3A Crowded Roads Revisited_GoldRoad_25.esp
3B Crowded Roads Revisited_GreenRoad_25.esp
3C Crowded Roads Revisited_YellowRoad_25.esp
3D Populated Prisons.esp
3E PTRoamingNPCs.esp
3F BookTrackerOBSE.esp
40 DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp
41 Display Stats.esp [Version 1.3.1]
42 FormID Finder4.esp
43 Get Wet - just droplets.esp
44 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.3]
45 QZ Easy Menus.esp
46 Streamline 3.1.esp
47 Dynamic Map.esp [Version 1.0.1]
48 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.8]
49 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5]
4A Enhanced Hotkeys.esp [Version 2.1.1]
4B FastEquipping.esp
4C DLCHorseArmor.esp
4D DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp [Version 0.91]
4E SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp [Version 1.11]
4F DLCOrrery.esp
50 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
51 SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp [Version 1.11]
52 DLCVileLair.esp
53 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
++ SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp [Version 1.21]
** Lair_mobs.esp
54 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
55 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
** Mehrunes_mobs.esp
56 SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp [Version 1.30]
57 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
** Book Jackets DLC.esp
** GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
58 SentientWeapon.esp [Version 3]
59 The Arsenal.esp
** mz_Shields.esp
** mz_Shields_SI.esp
5A XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp
5B Mounted_Spellcasting.esp
5C Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
5D Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1.03]
5E DLCThievesDen.esp
5F DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
60 SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp [Version 1.30]
** Thievesden_mobs.esp
61 KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]
++ FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp [Version Beta]
62 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
63 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.73]
64 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
65 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
66 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
67 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
68 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.09]
69 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
6A Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
++ OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp [Version 1.33]
++ OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp [Version 1.33]
++ OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.esp [Version 0.5]
++ Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
++ Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
6B Hemingweys Capes Improved for FCOM.esp [Version 3.0b]
6C Hemingweys Capes Improved Merchants.esp [Version 3.0b]
++ Hemingweys FCOM Boss Chest Cape Loot.esp [Version 3.0b]
++ Hemingweys FCOM OOO Cape Patch.esp [Version 3.0b]
++ Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved Citizens.esp [Version 3.0b]
++ Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved Enemies.esp [Version 3.0b]
++ Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved Legion Forester.esp [Version 3.0b]
++ Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved Regional City Guards.esp [Version 3.0b]
++ Hemingweys FCOM NPC Capes Improved IC Guards.esp [Version 3.0b]
++ Hemingweys Capes for FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 3.0b]
** OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
++ OOO-Better_Priced_Clutter.esp
++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35]
6D ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]
++ Better Hunting for OOO.esp
6E OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp
++ The Arsenal - Leveled Lists for OOO.esp
6F Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
** FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
70 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
71 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
72 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
73 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
74 Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
75 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
76 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
77 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Fletching Compilation.esp
78 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
79 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++ VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp
++ VASE - Vanilla SI.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp [Version 1.40Alpha]
7A TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c]
7B TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
7C ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
7D kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
** FCOM_Archery_Armamentarium.esp
++ FCOM_Archery_Artifacts.esp
** FCOM_Archery_RealSwords.esp
++ FCOM_Archery_MMM_H&C.esp
** FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
++ MMM Pelt Extension.esp
7E Geomancy & Gem Dust OOO.esp
7F OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.73]
80 CNRP Bruma4OOO.esp [Version 0.2]
81 CNRP Chorrol4OOO.esp [Version 1.1]
82 CNRP DB for OOO.esp [Version 1.0]
83 CNRP Cheydinhal4OOO.esp [Version 1.0]
84 CNRP FightersGuild4OOO.esp [Version 1.0]
++ Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]
++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]
85 BHC_Expanded.esp [Version 1.2]
86 COR-Episode1 Secret of Enourk.esp
87 hackdirtabyss.esp
88 Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp
89 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
8A Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
8B LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp [Version 2.5]
8C LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp
++ LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp
8D Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp
8E BetterInns + NewHomeOwners.esp [Version 1.2]
8F BetterInns - COBL PATCH.esp
90 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4]
91 The Duelists.esp
92 TheForgottenShields.esp
93 NRB4+ForgottonShields Patch.esp
94 VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.5.2]
95 za_bankmod.esp
96 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
97 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
98 SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp [Version 1.30]
** Battlehorn_mobs.esp
99 DLCFrostcrag.esp
9A Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag.esp
9B DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
9C SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp [Version 1.2]
9D Knights.esp
** Knights - Book Jackets.esp
9E Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1]
++ SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]
9F RTT.esp
A0 The Lost Spires.esp
A1 Mighty Umbra.esp
A2 Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp [Version 1.4]
A3 Blood&Mud.esp
++ Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2]
A4 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
A5 Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 5.1]
A6 The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp
A7 MannimarcoComplete.esp
A8 MannimarcoRevisited.esp
A9 MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp [Version 0.1]
AA Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_OMG.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9]
AB FCOM_DulanCult.esp [Version 0.9.9]
AC Gah Falquan Umarile.esp
AD road+bridges.esp [Version 4.6]
AE West Roads.esp
AF JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp
++ FCOM_FighterGUnited.esp
++ FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9]
B0 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
B1 DZ_Auto_Harvest.esp
B2 APS Abundant Stones.esp
B3 Cliff_BetterLetters.esp [Version 1.2]
B4 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 2.0.1]
++ ExpandedGreetings.esp
B5 GodStatues KOTN Edition.esp
B6 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
B7 kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp
B8 Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones.esp
B9 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
++ Enhanced Vegetation [100%].esp
BA Soulgem Magic.esp [Version 1.0]
BB Tombstone Epitaphs.esp
BC Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.2.0]
BD Quest Award Leveller.esp
++ Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp
++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
BE SkipTutorialv2.esp
BF StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp
C0 StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.esp
C1 AgarMoreVariedSpellEffects.esp
C2 MidasSpells.esp
C3 Midas OscuroGems.esp
++ Midas Betterholy.esp
++ Midas Reduced Costs Half.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp
++ Midas PowDur2x.esp
++ Midas Eldrich Power 2x.esp
++ Midas Tigernolevel OBSE.esp
C4 Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.esp
C5 JCN_AV Uncap.esp [Version 1.01]
C6 EnchantmentRestore.esp
++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
C7 Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.5]
C8 Legendary Abilities-Shield MOJ.esp [Version 2.0]
C9 Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
CA RealisticLeveling.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
** Better Redguard v2.esp
CB Ethereal - Eyes.esp
CC 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 3.1]
++ 1em_Vilja_as_Custom_by_Xtudo.esp
CD bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
** Atmospheric Loading Screens - Original Text.esp
CE ZUAmberMadnessOverhaul.esp
++ ZUSIO-MMM SI-patch.esp
++ ZUSIO-Map MarkerOverhaul SI-patch.esp
++ ZUSIO-SM Plugin Refurbish SI-patch.esp
CF bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVarNoSI.esp [Version 1.51EV]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp [Version 9.0EV-U]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
** bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
D0 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
D1 bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.993]
++ bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
** FCOM_Archery.esp
D2 MiniMap.esp
++ Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer NIF REMOVED.esp
D3 StokerWolff.esp
D4 UnderdarkSaga.esp
D5 Companion Compatibility.esp
++ NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
++ CoreRandmonClothing4Npcs.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
++ OOO Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp [Version 1.03]
++ All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.2]
D6 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
D7 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot beta Place After Bashed Patch.esp

Thanks a lot in advance!

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:05 am

Another non-game breaking but really annoying problem with an FCOM here.

No idea, but I can definitely say it's not caused by FCOM as it doesn't touch stuff like that. It's a little bit annoying that people who are running FCOM + 100 mods so often point out FCOM in their descriptions. Why not just write "a huge mod list" or something?

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:39 am

I would suspect this has something to do with a loading issue. I'm not techie enough to describe this very well, but I occasionally see the same phenomenon in my game - and I don't use FCOM

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Oblivion has a ton of resources it has to load every time it needs something new - a city you haven't visited in a while, a wilderness cell with unique architecture, etc. It has to load, calculate, and draw A LOT of resources - we're talking thousands of mesh faces here plus associated textures, shading, and attributes - when you encounter a character for the first time in a while.

Sometimes, Oblivion can get bogged down - particularly when you have a lot of mods running on a slower computer - and so, to lessen stuttering or momentary freezing, it sacrifices some of the unessential resources. One of the resources it deems unessential are the LIP files - they have a lower priority than, say, drawing the character.

What I think is happening, is your machine just can't get the LIP files (with associated geometry changes) loaded and prepped fast enough when first loading the character into memory, so rather than forcing you to wait, it just doesn't play the lip file. Then, the second time you talk to the character, the game's already had time to grab the necessary resources. But that's just a theory.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:22 am

No idea, but I can definitely say it's not caused by FCOM as it doesn't touch stuff like that. It's a little bit annoying that people who are running FCOM + 100 mods so often point out FCOM in their descriptions. Why not just write "a huge mod list" or something?

LOL

Sorry about that, I meant to say "an FCOM-based game here". Got kinda distracted I guess. Will correct the OP so peeps aren't misled.

And yeah, I thought about loading issues too but figured I might just ask in case someone had already got this thing before and knew what caused it (and hopefully eliminate it)