waitasec...what happened to Bloody Mess? i mean, yeah, it was completely unnecessary and i only used it on about half my characters, but it was also kindof a fun option to have...u_u

I'm assuming it's still a perk, as it was in FO3.

-Trigger Discipline: I will play on hardcoe, so I have to make every shot count
-Kamikaze: I like VATS and I will use power armor, so that should make up for the penalty to DT.

Pick up Fast Shot and Trigger Discipline and enjoy.

Seriously though, Good natured and either Wild Wasteland, Small Frame or Trigger Discipline seem like a fair choice.

It may have been a perk in Fallout 3 but it was a Trait in Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics.

Hrm as to the Trait or Traits I'd pick, given the list probably Wild Wasteland and possibly Good Natured.

I'm going to make a sniper character first time around so, Trigger Discipline and Small Frame.

Trigger Discipline. 20% more accurate and 20% slower firing means 20% less bullets shot / 20% more hits for the same amount of bullets.

In hardcoe mode, this means better conservation of ammo, and since ammo has weight, this will come in handy indeed.

Plus it is just badass. This is sniper style. Think about the heroes in action movies - they dont spray and pray like the goons do. They shoot a couple of precise shots.

Think Bruce Willis in The Fifth Element. Anyone else want to negotiate?

EDIT: Is anyone else disappointed with this small list of perks? I would hope there are more, unreleased ones, but teh video had the in game menu for selecting your traits and there wasn't anymore on there. Unless they did some sneaky editing to cut the list off without making it noticeable, but this seems unlikely.

There's not supposed to be too many traits. On the other hand, there's 80+ perks, most of them sounding pretty neat.

I'm assuming that just because these have been released first, they will not be the only traits in game. As of this, i plan to wait and see what is on offer before even thinking about what to have. My main problem with this is that i sort of already want WW, but then this takes up a space, so we'll have to wait nd see.

Trigger Discipline and Fast Shot. :bonk:

Kohai raised a good point about Trigger Discipline, but I'm a little bit puzzled that its so much more popular than Fast Shot. Look at it this way: the longer an enemy is alive the more damage you take. The faster you take them down, the safer you are. I agree TD will be better early game, but I still think FS might be better after like level 15 or so.

I can't pick for you, but I can tell you what I'm picking for my first character: Built to Destroy, and Wild Wasteland.

:gun: Built to Destroy because I'm hoping that meager 3% chance to crit can actually be increased to 15% percent if I'm using a weapon with a high crit multiplier (such as a sniper rifle).

:twirl: Wild Wasteland because I don't want to be stuck with the penalties of any of the other choices, and I don't have such large stick up my @ss that a few pop culture references is going to make me type up a 30 page rant about realism, verisimilitude, and loyalty to the Fallout theme being completely wrecked (I liked Mothership Zeta, in fact). :slap:

I think it might be because of the following thought process for the two traits.

With Fast Shot you shoot faster but it is at the expense of accuracy, so while you may put more rounds into the air at your targets, each shot has a reduced chance of actually hitting the target.

With Trigger Discipline your shots are more accuract at the expense of speed, so you don't put as many rounds into the air at your target but each shot has a higher chance of actually hitting the target.

Basically I presume the concensus is that it is better to take a bit more time between each shot and thus have an improved chance of hitting with each shot than to just let rip aka Spray and Pray (I admit the comment I'm using for Fast Shot in the summarisation is probably biased).

Based on your character's skill and perk choices a lot of these traits are awesome actually.

I'm going Built to Destroy (which will be backed up by the perk jury rigging),
and trigger discipline because I don't spray and pray anyways.

With jury rigging you can off-set the negative bonus of built to destroy, and if you go for a high repair skill then that's even better.

I said built to detroy and trigger discipline because i think theyll work great together. built to detroy increases criticals and trigger discipline makes u more accurate so if ur a good shot itll work out well. but i do hav to agree that the critical should be more than jus 3%

Wish there were more traits. I'm going to throw Good Natured in there, as it gives me a chance to have a bit of speech with my gunslinger, without having to tag other skills. That, and probably trigger discipline. I don't like shooting super fast. Long range, make em count.

Saving WW for my second playthrough.

Are traits required? And do we have to pick two, or can we pick one?

If they are required I would go with Trigger Discipline only, but if two are required I would add Small Frame.

No.


You can pick only one.

You can pick two.

I think he meant that if you want to pick only one then you can.

Correct. Thanks! :foodndrink:

Ones I voted for:

Kamikaze can be excellent or terrible depending on how much you use VATS (more=better). This is because low DT doesn't mean anything in VATS mode, and you can be in VATS mode more if you have high AP.

Good Natured is always a good idea. Most players will focus on 1-2 combat skills, so the others will be pointless to invest any points into. This way, you're taking points out of skills you wont use and putting them into skills you may use.

Small Frame would be great if you made heavy usage of VATS, like Kamikaze, but it would be just as useful if you made heavy usage of cover. Since it adds a point of AGI and not just AP, it's useful even for people who don't like VATS, but are willing to take cover to avoid damage.

No Traits is okay if you want a balanced character.

Others:

Now, I didn't vote for Fast Shot, but if you're not planning on sniping from afar, it seems useful. That said, Trigger Disciple is probably better since it lets you do damage from afar (doing damage without taking damage is better than doing damage and taking damage).

Built to Destroy seems useful only for high crit builds.

Four Eyes seems quite good as long as you don't plan on wearing a full face helmet (PA or NC Ranger).

Heavy Handed and Loose Cannon depend on how you plan on playing the character. Neither seems like too big of a deal (high STR build with Loose Cannon would be nice).

Wild Wasteland is the "for fun" Trait.

Ah, gotcha. Sorry for the misunderstanding. :tops:

This isn't a full list, is it?
I hope there are a few more interesting ones when the full list comes out.

Out of those, I'll go with Trigger Discipline and Small Frame. Definitely Small Frame, and since I'm not going WW on my first playthrough, Trigger Discipline seems to match my playstyle. I just hope the accuracy isn't offset when my character becomes 100% proficient at Small Guns.

It's been confirmed on this very forum by one of the devs that this is in fact the complete list of traits. 10 only.