Hi everyone! Just have a small annoying problem. Ren's Hair is supposed to be shiny right? well, mine used to be, but now it's dull and flat! I have no idea what would cause this to happen. I mean it was shiny yesterday, and today it's blah! Would it have to do with shaders or anything like that? or is it as simple as load order...? Anyway, thanks so much in advance! This little problem is driving me crazy! :banghead:
P.S. Will upload example pics soon.

Here's my ridiculously long Load Order:
Oblivion.esm
You Are Here.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
Waalx Animals & Creatures.esm
CM Partners.esm
Toaster Says Share v3.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
CTAddPose_v_1.esp
OSR_pose.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
LoadingScreens.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
phinix-waterfix.esp
Symphony of Violence.esp
Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
IWR-Lights.esp
IWR-Windows.esp
IWR-Shutters.esp
Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
CM_Better Wine.esp
Cyrodilic Brandy.esp
moregems.esp
Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp
Update My Statue.esp
XTS-Merchant-Mod-V1.0.esp
Cute-Tification.esp
moDem's City Life.esp
Landmarks, w Wells.esp
EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
ExnemEyeCandy.esp
Luchaire's Neck Seam Concealer.esp
PEDress.esp
LadyDeath.esp
StahlArmor.esp
AC2Gear_HGEC.esp
1SB_PureFantasyMage_Outfits.esp
FF00_SA-LightArmor.esp
Blue and White.esp
HentaiSummerFesta.esp
1SB_TerryMalick_BallGownVariants.esp
SDHeartbreaker.esp
mECB_XynthicaArmor.esp
HentaiLiLiCostume.esp
ElyndasLostDressesHGEC.esp
Underworld Armor.esp
TM's HGEC Ball Gown.esp
SnowySignatureOutfit.esp
Tona Compilation.esp
Hentai Compilation.esp
R18PN - Amy Armor Set.esp
HGEC_SBVelvetRose.esp
Hentai Blues.esp
HGEC Boots.esp
EY_AoD.esp
mECB_Collection.esp
Elwing.esp
KF Chapel Shop.esp
Tona's_ModsStore.esp
Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp
UFF_CrimsonMidnight.esp
SedaArmorL.esp
adelina.esp
SPB Boots Set.esp
UFF Lady Shadow.esp
LongTop.esp
tona_shadow-walker.esp
R18PN - Mizugi set.esp
The_sixy_Beast.esp
Western Armor.esp
Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp
IvyArmor.esp
Hentai Armors Retextured.esp
[WIP] Black Serenity.esp
AAbuiesdaqun.esp
UFF_1SBBewitching.esp
4283-v1.0-City traders-TESSource.esp
1SBVampireOutfits.esp
AW_Wings.esp
BlackLuster.esp
0FPetroBootsHGEC.esp
BlackLuster 2SwordStyle.esp
GoldenShadowArmor.esp
Hiyoko_Store.esp
KDCirclets.esp
Mage Leather Armor.esp
Oonas_Outfitters.esp
SickleIrons.esp
Slof's Giger Armour.esp
EY_Vampirehunter.esp
ElvenPrincess.esp
EY_BM_Armory.esp
Queensarmory.esp
MHSNKirin.esp
ArynnsDrowQueen2.0.esp
DarkIllusionArmor.esp
IndigoArmor.esp
HGEC_BodyGlove.esp
HGEC_Rogue01.esp
Morrowind Robes and Dresses for HGEC.esp
SchwarzeKatzeArmor.esp
HGEC_SBBewitching.esp
Battle China Dress.esp
Thunderbird Armor.esp
BWisteria.esp
Gloria Armor.esp
Hentai DarkSisterhoodArmor.esp
HGEC Rogue Mage & Scoundrel.esp
Slof's Horses Base.esp
Slof's Extra Horses.esp
Slof's Black Unicorn.esp
Critters of Oblivion.esp
Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Spiders.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Durzog Addon.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
FaunaOfTamriel.esp
WAC.esp
WAC - TCOS Shops.esp
WAC - OverSpawn.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp
EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp
Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp
ExnemEC_Warrior01.esp
Hentai Mania.esp
Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp
Warglaives by Jojjo v1.0.esp
MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
HeartOftheDead.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
TOTF.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
R18PN - Bikini Re-Textured.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
ElsweyrAnequina.esp
ElsweyrAnequinaNoSpiders.esp
HentaiLovelyHouse.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
Dreightons_Item_Value.esp
EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
Nightshade_Armor.esp
2nd to 1st person.esp
Salmo The Baker v2.0.esp
24HrArenaAlive.esp
HGEC_Draconic_Armor.esp
Enhanced Vegetation [150%].esp
valdacil's scaled economy.esp
Decent Rewards v2.esp
Flipflops-9hao.esp
3703-1.0-Resurrection-TESSource.esp
Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp
RealWalk.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
IDKRRR_C_race.esp
IDKRRR_C_race_closed_mouth_version.esp
IDKRRR_C_race_Female_Anime_Voice.esp
IDKRRR_C_race_Female_Anime_Voice_CMV.bsa.esp
CM-Jim.esp
CM Partners.esp
tona_clothes_and_underwear_v2.esp
CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp
CM Partners Special NPCs With Rob.esp
EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
Ramy Enfant.esp
bgBalancingEVCore.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp
bgIntegrationEV.esp
My Time.esp
MINE-000.esp
Vanilla_Oblivion_Skill_Rates-6548.esp
[GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
variedgrasslength.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Ashley's NPCs.esp

Did you use OBMM to install these? If so, use the data file browser, and navigate to Ren's hairs to try to figure out which mod installed those files last.

I even tried reinstalling Rens hair, and it's still dull... That's why i think it's some kind of shader or something unrelated to Rens Hair itself...

What mods have you installed that touch shaders? RBP certainly does not. Are you sure that it is not a lighting issue? Did you notice other things lacking luster. If this problem is isolated to one of Ren's hairs. I would look to the hair mods first. Maybe you were using a different version of Ren's hair than you thought. OBMM does not keep very good record of which mod installed particular data files last, so you would have to try reinstalling, one-by-one any mods that contain Ren's hairs. I am using mods with three different versions of some of her hairs. A companion mod or something may have included a shinier version of her hair mesh or something like that.

Here are some example pics:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4986/screenshot11nz.png
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9529/screenshot7e.png
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6269/screenshot8my.png

Yup, definitely dull. Okay...I definitely say it is a hair mesh issue. I wish I could remember if RBP had "dull" Ren's hair, but it has been so long since I have played Obilvion.

Edit: After looking at your screen shots, the shader idea seems out there. Messing with the shaders should affect the way light reflection appears on other objects as well, but her skin looks equally bright in both images. It's too bad you are not using BAIN because switching around which mod overrides and wins the "Ren's hair battle" would be easy. OBMM is a little ambiguous...There is an option to use the 20 shader for hair in the Oblivion INI. Maybe you should check that setting out and try switching it to on or off.

Well, there is the high quality hair shader option to enable disable in the Oblivion.ini file.
There is also the ability to force Shader Model 3.0

Have you made any changes to either?

Some weird shader issues can occur with some video cards when forcing the SM3.0 option

EDIT - Not sure if Spectral Lighting has any effect on hair or not. (If that is even a video option within the Oblivion menu...) Haven;t really messed with it, but it might be worth double checking.

Also, not sure how hair is effected under different high quality lighting like Bloom and HDR. May want to ensure that HDR is turned on within your video options menu as well.

EDIT - I don't have the .ini file in front of me the reference the correct names of the options I mentioned above, but a quick google should reveal what I am trying to say...

I just recommended the hair shader as well, and I am also not sure about the 3.0 video shader either. It is off by default, and I do not recall being impressed when I did try turning it on. I just treat it as another useless INI setting now.

Edit: It is kind of odd that a mod changed that. If that happened while installing an OMOD, you should have been prompted to confirm the change to the Oblivion INI file.

Sorry Tomlong, I missed your comment about the hairshader. My skim reading is getting rusty.

One thing to mention... If you ever used Streamline, it is possible for streamline to make changes to your video settings. I don't know if it would go as far as disabling hair shaders, but I have never used this Streamsmooth option of the mod myself. Keep in mind that even after you remove Streamline, many times it's effects remain until you manually change them.

I can confirm that it does not touch the hair shader or that 3.0 shader. I think we would have heard a lot more people complaining about a lack of luster in that case, haha.

Just checked: all other hair is shiny! (I pretty much have all hairs: Corean, Sarem, Vanilla... the only hair that isn't shiny is the JH hairs, but they never were! ) it's just rens! so that rules out my shader thought... Just reinstalled Rens meshes and textures... still dull and ugly...

Is it "bAllow20HairShader" because if it is, i have that on...

Oh, and incase anyone's wondering: i'm using the ren's hair from BG Balancing.

That is the relevant setting. I cannot imagine turning it off would help, haha. Ren's mod may not have been the version of Ren's hair loading last before this change occurred. What other mods have you installed contain Ren's hair meshes? RBP uses them, but I do not think the hair meshes differ. RBP does not include all of Ren's hairs, however. Are you using Ren's mod and RBP? What is your load order, anyway.

(Don't forget about the edit button in the bottom-right corner of your posts, in order to avoid the double posts.)


Edit: I could not see your load order while reply, sorry about that. Anyway, RBP, IDKRRR and (I assume) the Khajiit eye fix all modify the vanilla races. You can probably disable the earlier loading mods of the three because their changes are imported into the bashed patch (if you checked them under Race changes) and RBP is overwriting all of their changes, otherwise. I think I remember IDKRRR having the Ren's hairs...Is that correct? Maybe you should try reinstalling that mod then.

Thanks for the tip! ^_~ anyway, like i said before, using BG balancing's version of Ren's Hair, and My first post contains my super long load order. BG balancing is towards the bottom! and my last esp--Ashley's NPCs--is a variation of BG balancing, i use this for my custom race (the one in my 3 screenies) and i change some NPCs to look better! :wink_smile:

Nope, only Corean hairs...

I updated my last post. Hopefully, that works

Edit: Oh, that stinks...I cannot imagine this issue being something other than a different Ren's hair mesh, especially after you confirmed only the Ren's hairs are suffering this ailment. Have you tried installing Ren's mod (getting rid of the plugins) just to see if installing her original hairs makes the difference.

Maybe, i'll just rebash using only Ren's? would that maybe work...?

EDIT: Of course not... :brokencomputer:

Re-install just the normal maps for the hair in your textures/characters/ren/hair folder. I'd try that.

Ack! I was having trouble remember whether or not hairs had normal maps. My mind is so fuzzy... There is still the matter of figuring out which mod has the dull normal maps though. That is why I am suggesting try to install the original Ren's hairs, but you are right about the issue being normal maps, for sure.

That's the first thing i did! i try and cover all bases before i bug you guys! thanks anyway for your reply! :laugh:

I even checked to make sure all the hairs were pointing to the right folder via construction set! maybe i'll just have to live with flat hair for the rest of my life... it's like she forgot conditioner! (i'd NEVER do that )

Is it possible that you uninstalled another mod that contains Ren's hairs. (Wow, I am sounding redundant right now.)

I did mess around with the argonians yesterday... but i put everything back to the way it was... (i'm not really a mod expert... i know just enough to get myself in trouble... also changed water mods yesterday, and i just put in some new clothes... that's it! that's all i did yesterday--that's the only thing that changed

Occasionally just resetting my BSA timestamps in OBMM has fixed texture issues. Don't ask me why. And if you know why, don't tell me. I'd prefer to think its magic. Could be worth a try if you use that app. *shrug*