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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:27 am

Just some simple questions that jumped to mind while working on TSOO.

1. Why does the guard from Kvatch captured by the Daedra, Menian Goneld, not return from the oblivion plane when the Sigil Stone is removed?

2. Why are Soldiers in the Imperial Legion called Imperial Legion Soldiers rather then Imperial Legionnaires?

3. Why does the Amulet of Kings light up in the Oblivion intro when Uriel touches it?

4. Why does every one just believe you? Is it that camera floating behind you?

5. Is Jauffre really that stone cold when he suggest Prior Maborel doesn't need his horse anymore or has been playing Morrowind before he became head of the blades?

6. In the Mythic Dawn shrine at the Lake Arrius Caverns you are asked to pledge your blood to Dagon with the suggestion that it shall be his in the end. This seems to be the ritual that binds Mankars followers to Paradise. So does this make Paradise part of Mehrunes Dagons realm, contrary to Martins claims about the Mysterium Xarxes being the Paradise?

7. Why are there derelict towers in the Oblivion realms when a realm seems to disintegrate when you remove the Sigil Stone? If the realm doesn't disintegrate, why is anybody returned at all?
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:30 pm

Just some simple questions that jumped to mind while working on TSOO.

1. Why does the guard from Kvatch captured by the Daedra, Menian Goneld, not return from the oblivion plane when the Sigil Stone is removed?
I always thought maybe he was killed by a returning dremora, after the PC left.
2. Why are Soldiers in the Imperial Legion called Imperial Legion Soldiers rather then Imperial Legionnaires?
Mistake?
3. Why does the Amulet of Kings light up in the Oblivion intro when Uriel touches it?
Maybe because his soul will soon join it. It is written somewhere, IIRC, that Tharn could not kill Uriel cause the AoK would lighten up or something or the sort.
4. Why does every one just believe you? Is it that camera floating behind you?
Everyone you meet in Oblivion is so screwed up cause of the RAI, that they'll believe anything :P.
5. Is Jauffre really that stone cold when he suggest Prior Maborel doesn't need his horse anymore or has been playing Morrowind before he became head of the blades?
He's got a sick sense of humor?? :cookie:
6. In the Mythic Dawn shrine at the Lake Arrius Caverns you are asked to pledge your blood to Dagon with the suggestion that it shall be his in the end. This seems to be the ritual that binds Mankars followers to Paradise. So does this make Paradise part of Mehrunes Dagons realm, contrary to Martins claims about the Mysterium Xarxes being the Paradise?
Well isn't the Mysterium Xarxes made from the essence of Dagon anyway, so while it may be bound to the book it is still bound to Dagon.
7. Why are there derelict towers in the Oblivion realms when a realm seems to disintegrate when you remove the Sigil Stone? If the realm doesn't disintegrate, why is anybody returned at all?
This question confused me....which is easily done..but still, what?


Edit: Sorry it's the only explanation I could come up with, Unless Uriel is videotaping it for his buddies in the Dreamsleeve? :P

Edit 2: I misread the question, oops. I will correct my response.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:02 am

I don't think proweler needs to be reminded that the camera is gameplay...
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:24 pm

Maybe when this is answered, we'll have the answer to why barrels always blow up when you shoot them. Or how James Bond hasn't caught VD yet.

Don't become confused about the origin of these screw-ups though, people. These literary plotholes should not be seen as the editorial mishaps of the developers, for we have been tricked again by the Dagonites....

The beginnings of our present problems go back to the Arena era, with its proto-lore inconsistencies and whatnot.
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:42 pm

3&4.

They cannot understand why I trust you. They've not seen what I've seen. How can I explain? Listen. You know the Nine? How They guide our fates with an invisible hand? - Uriel

Strange. He saw something in you. Trusted you. They say it's the Dragon Blood, that flows through the veins of every Septim. They see more than lesser men. - Baurus

As unlikely as your story seems, I believe you. Only the strange destiny of Uriel Septim could have brought you to me carrying the Amulet of Kings.- Jauffre


So apperently there is a camera floating behind you, but only the Emperor can see it! Although the comment about the Dragon Blood would make more sense if he was actually a direct heir to Tiber Septim who studied up for that sort of knowledge, but this could be chalked up to superstition.

Reman (The Cyrodiil): Culture god-hero of the Second Empire, Reman was the greatest hero of the Akaviri Trouble. Indeed, he convinced the invaders to help him build his own empire, and conquered all of Tamriel except for Morrowind. He instituted the rites of becoming Emperor, which included the ritual geas to the Amulet of Kings, a soulgem of immense power. His Dynasty was ended by the Dunmeri Morag Tong at the end of the first era. Also called the Worldly God. - Faith in the Empire

The Elder Scrolls cannot mention it[the Dragon Break]. When the Moth priests attune the Scrolls to the timeless time their glyphs always disappear. The Amulet of Kings, however, with its oversoul of emperors, can speak of it at length. - Where were you when the Dragon Broke?


It isn't through the Dragon Blood that Uriel knows these things but through the Amulet of Kings with the over souls of the Emperors. Hence it lights up when Uriel touches it. It also explains Martins insight in how to pull Akatosh out of the Amulet but it doesn't explain Martins immediate trust in you though - which Oblivion seems to blame on the Dragon Blood.

Over all the Dragon Blood explanation has more more grace in explaining these things so can I order a retcon in an obscure text wrapping about the ritual pledge to the Amulet of Kings involving a Dragon Blood transfusion? On the go and no hot sauce please.


edit:

The forum keeps messing this post up.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:40 am

Just some simple questions that jumped to mind while working on TSOO.

1. Why does the guard from Kvatch captured by the Daedra, Menian Goneld, not return from the oblivion plane when the Sigil Stone is removed?

2. Why are Soldiers in the Imperial Legion called Imperial Legion Soldiers rather then Imperial Legionnaires?

3. Why does the Amulet of Kings light up in the Oblivion intro when Uriel touches it?

4. Why does every one just believe you? Is it that camera floating behind you?

5. Is Jauffre really that stone cold when he suggest Prior Maborel doesn't need his horse anymore or has been playing Morrowind before he became head of the blades?

6. In the Mythic Dawn shrine at the Lake Arrius Caverns you are asked to pledge your blood to Dagon with the suggestion that it shall be his in the end. This seems to be the ritual that binds Mankars followers to Paradise. So does this make Paradise part of Mehrunes Dagons realm, contrary to Martins claims about the Mysterium Xarxes being the Paradise?

7. Why are there derelict towers in the Oblivion realms when a realm seems to disintegrate when you remove the Sigil Stone? If the realm doesn't disintegrate, why is anybody returned at all?

1. Probably the same reason that the dead Mythic Dawn guys in the cages don't return; probably not close enough to the Sigil Tower.

2. Gameplay mechanic.

3. He's been wearing it for decades; he knows how to use it.

4. The Imperial Corruption quest would say otherwise.

5. Prior Maborel says he doesn't need his horse. Jauffre probably knew it.

6. There isn't enough info out there to tell for sure

7. Given that the Deadlands are mostly lava islands, it probably isn't unusual for a tower to become derelict and fall. Supposedly, the Sigil Stones anchor the gates. When they are removed, I suspect that there is a rift that opens and deposits all of mundane origin in the immediate area back to Tamriel.
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:58 pm

2. Gameplay mechanic.


It's a naming oversight, nothing mechanical about it.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:04 am

It's a naming oversight, nothing mechanical about it.

That's what I meant. Either way both names mean the same thing.
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:41 pm

I honestly do hope a text gets written explaining the rites involving the Amulet of Kings. Doesn't MK get on here more frequently around September?
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:11 am

7. Why are there derelict towers in the Oblivion realms when a realm seems to disintegrate when you remove the Sigil Stone? If the realm doesn't disintegrate, why is anybody returned at all?

Easy, that's just more of Dagon's oft-mentioned theatrics, like making the realms cold. The place is the image of destructive flux and decay.
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:38 pm

5. Prior Maborel says he doesn't need his horse. Jauffre probably knew it.


If you haven't asked Prior Maborel for assistance then Jauffre tells Maborel doesn't need his horse after he has been assassinated. Seems rather cold to me.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:10 am

EDIT: Why did this double post?
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:27 am

Have we ever seen Jauffre express any emotion at any time? The voice actor does historical audio books, people.
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:28 pm

I honestly do hope a text gets written explaining the rites involving the Amulet of Kings. Doesn't MK get on here more frequently around September?


MK shows up whenever the bloody hell he pleases, talks some crap, then promptly disappears without explanation. Still, the fact that he seems to be a busy bee is encouraging (as he still owes us an end to Aldudagga and a Moutain Farting Contest, among other things), perhaps an indication that he's working on some goodies.

Or perhaps not. *shrugs*

Anyway:

1. Why does the guard from Kvatch captured by the Daedra, Menian Goneld, not return from the oblivion plane when the Sigil Stone is removed?

Seems to me that, although he wanted to close the gate and help stop the invasion and such, good ol' Menian was secretly into S&M and found the whole situation quite invigorating. As such, when prompted by the PC to leave, he makes up his bogus excuse of "there being no time" and stays in his cage, awaiting the next burly, chiseled Dremora who will beat him to a bloody pulp.

Or not.


2. Why are Soldiers in the Imperial Legion called Imperial Legion Soldiers rather then Imperial Legionnaires?

For the same reason that people on the Internet spell it "t3h 1NT3RW38S L0L".

3. Why does the Amulet of Kings light up in the Oblivion intro when Uriel touches it?

It likes being touched?

4. Why does every one just believe you? Is it that camera floating behind you?


Nah, it would've been too postmodern for Todd to think of to eliminate the Fourth Wall like that. I think it's just my manly wiles and ineffable charm.


5. Is Jauffre really that stone cold when he suggest Prior Maborel doesn't need his horse anymore or has been playing Morrowind before he became head of the blades?

He's a Breton, duh. Isn't sardonic wit supposed to be one of their trademarks?

6. In the Mythic Dawn shrine at the Lake Arrius Caverns you are asked to pledge your blood to Dagon with the suggestion that it shall be his in the end. This seems to be the ritual that binds Mankars followers to Paradise. So does this make Paradise part of Mehrunes Dagons realm, contrary to Martins claims about the Mysterium Xarxes being the Paradise?

This is actually a somewhat serious question: as such, I'll answer semi-seriously.

I think that the two are not mutually exclusive: the Mysterium Xarxes is a construction, after all, of Mehrunes Dagon -- thus, it is, like all his other constructions, an extension of him. This, along with the fact that Daedra are their realm/sphere (Just like the Divines are their planet, and such), means that in tying themselves to the Xarxes, the Mythic Dawn are tying themselves to Dagon.

Shorter answer: The Paradise was a pocket realm under Dagon's dominion; thus, tying themselves to the Paradise tied them to Dagon, or vice versa, whatever.


7. Why are there derelict towers in the Oblivion realms when a realm seems to disintegrate when you remove the Sigil Stone? If the realm doesn't disintegrate, why is anybody returned at all?

Who says they were Sigil towers? Depending on how long these pocket realms had been in existence BEFORE the Invasion, those derelict towers may have served completely different purposes and fallen apart on their own due to lack of use. Alternatively, parts from their construction may have been used to make the Sigil Tower.

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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:07 am

There are both Legionnaires and Legion Soldiers, btw.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:41 am

There are both Legionnaires and Legion Soldiers, btw.


:facepalm:
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:14 am

If you haven't asked Prior Maborel for assistance then Jauffre tells Maborel doesn't need his horse after he has been assassinated. Seems rather cold to me.

He's the Grandmaster of the Blades. He's had to have seen fellow Blades die and enemies die by his hand while he was serving, and giving orders that result in deaths once he gained command. He must be desensitized by this point.
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:51 pm

I think I'm going to have to agree with all of Putty's answers.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:38 am

:facepalm:

What? You're missing something here, or assuming it.
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:34 pm

7. Why are there derelict towers in the Oblivion realms when a realm seems to disintegrate when you remove the Sigil Stone? If the realm doesn't disintegrate, why is anybody returned at all?

I thought you were closing the gates, not disintegrating the realm.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:47 am

MK shows up whenever the bloody hell he pleases, talks some crap, then promptly disappears without explanation. Still, the fact that he seems to be a busy bee is encouraging (as he still owes us an end to Aldudagga and a Moutain Farting Contest, among other things), perhaps an indication that he's working on some goodies.


Whoa, a Mountain Farting contest??

Lol. Did he ever describe what it was gonna be about (I'm sure the Mountain Fart is involved).
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:37 pm

Whoa, a Mountain Farting contest??

Lol. Did he ever describe what it was gonna be about (I'm sure the Mountain Fart is involved).


Fu'um!
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:54 am

5. Is Jauffre really that stone cold when he suggest Prior Maborel doesn't need his horse anymore or has been playing Morrowind before he became head of the blades?


You're lucky he doesn't suggest you eat it on the way.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:36 am

I'll answer a couple of these. Others have answered most of them adequately.

3. Why does the Amulet of Kings light up in the Oblivion intro when Uriel touches it?


I was under the impression that it is flickering, as if its power is fading, and nearly gone.

4. Why does every one just believe you? Is it that camera floating behind you?


Because the story, if it included mistrust, would have been more complex to write, and detracted from "riding around on a horse and killing things"?

7. Why are there derelict towers in the Oblivion realms when a realm seems to disintegrate when you remove the Sigil Stone? If the realm doesn't disintegrate, why is anybody returned at all?


The impression I get from Shezarr's Song is that the Daedric Realms were made in imitation of Nirn, but without that whole "cutting parts of ourselves off" thing. Each realm "looks like" a state the mundus can take, but is created that way to begin with and is that way statically, rather than being the result of historical cause and effect. So why does this particular part of Mehrunes Dagon's realm look like the outcome of fiery warfare, even if it is just a recently created pocket realm designed as a staging area? Because he likes it that way.
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Post » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:29 pm

Whoa, a Mountain Farting contest??

Lol. Did he ever describe what it was gonna be about (I'm sure the Mountain Fart is involved).

It's part 4 of the Aldudagga, so you know Alduin, Dagon, Nords, probably Malouch that kind of stuff. We also know fight five is called "The Dead May Yet Still Marry." Seven's name is still unknown.
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