So I recently posted some theories rethinking metaphysics and religion in TES.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1428580-if-the-aedra-and-daedra-went-to-war/page__st__30
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1432311-sovngarde-is-in-aetherius-and-so-is-all-after-life/page__fromsearch__1

I understand that it can be hard to accept that the way you have been thinking about things could be wrong. Still, most people were quite receptive after some initial skepticism. This thread is to continue the discussion and also provide additional evidence on two points:

1) The Aedra are alive.
2) They reside in Aetherius.

Here are the quotes of note from the Nu-Mantia Intercepts:

The whole point of Auri-El becoming a Dragon was so he could escape the Mundus.

And according to Yokudan religion, Ruptga was never bound to Mundus at all.

It's probably more likely that it's something weird like them having clones in Aetherius or their Plane(t)s actually being pieces of Aetherius torn out of it or something.

I like to use the Wheel anology.

The Aedra are the spokes. Spokes are connected to the hub (Mundus) but also to the rim (Aetherius.) They don't reside wholly in one or the other because of the parts of themselves that they sacrificed (their gift limbs.)

It's commonly accepted that the Aedra died after Convention. The Divines are the spirits of the original Aedra created by the beliefs of Man.

Some Aedra did ascend to Aetherius though but these are the Aedra if the Aldmer: Auri-el, Phynaster and Syrabane.

However the gods of Man show no interest in Aetherius and actually 'love' Mundus and it's inhabitants.

But really, who does accept that the Aedra died after Convention, aside from us?


The High Elven distinction between their divines and their Aldmeri ancestors looks blurry to me, because they are all by definition, aedra. They say Auri-el "ascended to heaven in full observance of his followers so that they might learn the steps needed to escape the mortal plane". Trinimac was obviously active very early, but I don't see why Phynaster and Syrabane couldn't have been Mer, albeit very great Mer. The Altmer worship what they think are their ancestors, but only the best ones rather than those their families happen to be individually related to.


A lot of those men think they can go to Aetherius when they die.

Lol.....

Ok. So I'm just gonna go ahead and direct you to the links in the OP. I'm not gonna go over the basics of this thing all over again. I just wanted to provide additional evidence and CONTINUE the discussion where we left off. I'm not gonna START the discussion all over again.

Also, it is condescending to explain basic theories to others on the lore forum. I understand quite well what is "commonly accepted." The problem is that the "common knowledge" about these topics is not backed up by lore sources and is in fact contradicted by them in many ways.

That's true in many cases, but in this case we do have sources indicating that the Aedra are dead.

Hey Nordjitsu, did you see the quote I posted a while back? It's wasn't in your thread, unfortunately.


Who are the biters?


The Aedra are definately in the dreamsleeve.

I have to point out the Aedra are past their phase of "Mortal death", as they are one of the destination for mortal souls that pass the phase of mortal death. If we consider the dreamsleeve a recycle device for the mortal who never reach their mortal death, then the Aedra should not be in the dreamsleeve, or the whole Aedra-Daedra-destination becomes pointless, as even if one joins Aedra he is still in the dreamsleeve.

Yet still the Aedra are dead. Those in Aetherius are only pieces who are "believed" to be there, a core for the mortal souls to aggregate. If the groups of mortals don't believe these cores in Aetherius, then they don't, but still these are outside of the dreamsleeve. By this it is flexible to say whether a certain plane of Aedric aspect is in Aetherius or Mundus, as it merely depends on how mortals believe.

I'd say the dreamsleeve is not the whole part of the metaphonic Dream of the Godhead, and the Dreamer is beyond the dreamsleeve. In fact, I'd like to link the dreamsleeve to all of Arkay, Mnemoli and Vaermina: Aedra-Magne-Ge-Daedra trinity of minds and memories. Just to think reaching Aetherius is similar as reaching Oblivion, a way seems to be liberity but in fact not, that even if succeeding escaping Mundus-dreamsleeve system the soul is still in the system of the Godhead, and by that Vehk teaches mortals to reach Amaranth to bypass the whole Godhead system.

And I don't like the idea that the Aetherius is in fact inreachable to the souls. Magne-Ge and Aedra differed much less than we had thought before, as in Magne-Ge pantheon the whole Y signs are Aedra and Lorkhan and the blue star, that who wander in Mundus which is called the blackhole, while C signs and M signs "true" Magne-Ge that residing in Aetherius except for Meridia.


Edit: This reminds me that in Vehk's Teaching and the Wheel Model it lacks the definiting position of Aetherius. only "what is left is Aetherius", yet in the Wheel Model it is hard to say where this "left" really is. Maybe the boundary between Mundus and Aetherius is "vague" in the Wheel Model, due to the connection of Aedra-Magne-Ge, so Vehk only defines Aetherius "what is left", non Oblivion and non Mundus.

If we look into the difference between Hinduism and Buddhism, the existence of Devaloka in Hinduism is more or less the similar place as the Aetherius in the TES world, only the Aetherius gets mixed up with the concept of Heaven as a final destination in common belief, that in both Hinduism and Buddhism souls in Devaloka are still destined to re-enter the Samsara. The Buddhism teaches mortal to jump out of the whole Samsara, Devaloka included, a similarity of Psijic Endeavor to the original Aldmeri belief.

Is it condescending to 'laugh out loud' at somebody's argument. That's plain rude. Is it condescending to assume that I haven't read your original piece. If I'm honest I think it is. Lol...

Anyway to actually provide content to this thread (which your reply did not). The 2 main sources that say the Aedra are dead are the Psijic order.

"The magical beings, then, having died, became the et'Ada. The et'Ada are the things perceived and revered by the mortals as gods, spirits, or geniuses of Aurbis. Through their deaths, these magical beings separated themselves in nature from the other magical beings of the Unnatural realms." - the Monomyth.

As for your old proof, all you have are Imperial scholars. For the Aedra to be in Aetherius goes against logic as well. Magnus ripped a huge hole in Oblivion in order to escape how big a hole would Akatosh rip? And where is it?

Nope. Wrong. I actually dealt with just that line of attack and provided many sources that were not imperial scholars.

And when you say "all your sources are Imperial" I can just as easily say "all your sources are Aldmeri."