Load order and Belethor

Post » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:16 am

Hello all,

Maybe someone can help me with my problem.

I playing TES games from Morrowind and playing with mods, so I know a little bit about mods :smile: Now I playing Skyrim and all working properly with old characters. But yesterday I started absolutely new character and one problem that I saw, that Belethor has no option to buy or sell things at all :( All other conversation options working properly. I think that is not one problem that I will see, so can someone look at my load order (below) and tell if it's all right or maybe something is missing, maybe some patch?

Thank you very much for your help and sorry for my terrible English :smile:

Load order:

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Falskaar.esm=1
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1
SoS - The Dungeons.esp=1
SoS - The Wilds.esp=1
HighResTexturePack01.esp=1
HighResTexturePack02.esp=1
HighResTexturePack03.esp=1
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1
unofficial hearthfire patch.esp=1
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp=1
Chesko_Frostfall.esp=1
Better Dynamic Snow.esp=1
SplashofRain.esp=1
dfg's blade & dagger sheathe sounds.esp=1
theFlicker.esp=1
compass.esp=0
lockpickvision.esp=1
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp=1
StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp=1
AK- Buyable Paintings and Pictures.esp=1
enhanceddistantterrain.esp=1
GuessDistance.esp=1
Lanterns Of Skyrim - Bridges x2 - OnOff_bright.esp=1
Lanterns Of Skyrim - Villages.esp=1
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1
Book Covers Dawnguard.esp=1
Book Covers Hearthfire.esp=1
Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0 non glow.esp=1
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=0
Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp=1
Convenient Horses.esp=1
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp=1
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp=1
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp=1
Footprints.esp=1
Footprints - Ash.esp=1
WetandCold.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
iHUD.esp=1
manny_Status.esp=1
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp=1
Black Overlord Armor Set.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1
1nivWICCloaks.esp=1
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp=1
DDD-Bard[censored]e.esp=1
Ridgeview House.esp=1
RiverwoodHuntingCabin.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
When Vampires Attack.esp=1
AchieveThat.esp=1
betterquestobjectives.esp=1
CutthroatMerchantsMedium.esp=1
Distant DetailHF.esp=1
FA Guard Helmet.esp=1
FalskaarDawnguard.esp=1
grimsever2h.esp=1
MD - Stop to Dragon Encounters.esp=1
SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp=1
torches for realistic lighting.esp=1
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1
Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp=1
CampingKitNorthernRanger - Tent Not For Sale.esp=1
SoS - Civilization.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeons.esp=1
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp=1
SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoTSounds.esp=1
SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp=1
SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMinorCities.esp=1
SoS - Civilization -PatchCoTSounds.esp=1
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp=1
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp=1
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp=1
RND_USKP-Patch.esp=1
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
RND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp=1
Predator Vision.esp=1
dovahkiinrelax.esp=1
vImmersiveBeds.esp=1
vImmersiveBeds - HFDG.esp=1
Follower Trap Safety.esp=1
Shut Up Mjoll!.esp=1
TouringCarriages.esp=1
WATER.esp=1
WATER Plants.esp=1
WATER DB Waves.esp=1
WATER Falskaar.esp=1
RND_Water-Patch.esp=1
Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1
collegedorm.esp=1
HunterRangerCrafting.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp=1
SoS - Sliders - Civilization.esp=1
SoS - Sliders - The Dungeons.esp=1
SoS - Sliders - The Wilds.esp=1
RLO_Torches_Flicker.esp=1
SkyFalls Plus SkyMills - All DLC and Falskaar.esp=1
Immersive Interiors.esp=1
Conan_Hyborian_Age.esp=1
ADS.esp=1

Mods names alphabetical order:

2H Grimsever
A Quality World Map
Achieve That!
aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors
aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Weapons
Auto Unequip Ammo - Auto Unequip Ammo v5_0
Bards Lute - Bards Lute v10
Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack
Better Dynamic Snow - Better Dynamic Snow 2-20
Black Overlord Armor - Black Overlord Armor
Black Overlord Armor - Black Overlord Armor Update
Book Covers Skyrim
Buyable Paintings and Pictures - Place Anywhere - Buyable Paintings and Pictures 1-3
Camping Kit of the Northern Ranger - CKOTNR - Camping Kits Can Just be Picked Up
Climates Of Tamriel - Weather - Lighting - Audio - Climates Of Tamriel - Dawnguard Patch
Climates Of Tamriel - Weather - Lighting - Audio - Climates Of Tamriel - Dragonborn Patch
Climates Of Tamriel - Weather - Lighting - Audio - Climates Of Tamriel - Sounds
Cloaks of Skyrim - Cloaks of Skyrim 1-2
Cloaks of Skyrim - Cloaks of Skyrim 1-2 Dawnguard
CONAN Hyborian Age - Conan Hyborian Age 2_5
CONAN Hyborian Age - Conan Hyborian Age Patch 2_6
Convenient Horses - Convenient Horses v4_7_3
CutthroatMerchantsMedium
Detailed Rugs - Detailed_Rugs_v1-3
Distant Detail Hearthfire Edition - Distant Detail Hearthfire Edition
DYNAVISION - Dynamic Depth of Field - DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field v 2_2
Dovahkiin Relaxes Too - dovahkiinrelaxV16
Drinking Fountains of Skyrim - Drinking Fountains of Skyrim
Enhanced Distant Terrain
Falskaar - Climates of Tamriel patch
Falskaar - Falskaar - Dawnguard Compatability Plugin V1_0_0
Falskaar - Falskaar Outro w- Full Credits
Falskaar - Falskaar V1_1_1
Fine Hair HQ - Fine Hair Vanilla Res
Finer Dust - Finer Dust
Follower Trap Safety - Follower Trap Safety v1_1
Footprints - Footprints v0_99
Footprints - Footprints v0_99 - Ash Supplemental
FPS Counter
Friendly Guard Helmets - Friendly Guard Helmets
Frostfall - Hypothermia Camping Survival - Frostfall 2_4a Release
Guess the Distance - Perceptive Scouting - Guess the Distance v1_1_3b
HD Misc - HD Misc v1
Heart of the Beast - Werewolf Sound and Texture Overhaul - Werewolf Sounds - LOW AGGRESSION
High Quality LODs - HQLODs - Meshes Med-Res
Hunter and Ranger Crafting - Hunter and Ranger Crafting
Hunters Cabin of Riverwood - Hunters Cabin of Riverwood
Immersive Beds
Immersive Beds - ImmersiveBeds - Heartfires-Dawnguard patch
Immersive HUD - iHUD - Immersive HUD v2_4
Immersive Interiors - Immersive Interiors 0-2-5
Insanitys Ebony Sword Replacer - Insanitys Ebony Sword Replacer
Jewels of the Nord - HD rings and necklaces - jewels of the nord - high res
Lanterns of Skyrim - Bridges - Lanterns Of Skyrim - Bridges x2 - OnOff - 2_0
Lanterns of Skyrim - Villages - Lanterns Of Skyrim - Villages 1_1
Lore-Based Loading Screens - Lore-Based Loading Screens 1_0
MjollNoWarpaintNoScars - MjollNoWarpaint
More Subtle Nirnroot
More Subtle Nirnroot - No Nirnroot Sound
Nightingale Prime HD - Nightingale Prime HD - Leather Version
Outdated - HD Textures DLC Fix - HD Texture DLC Fix v1_3b Loose Files
Predator Vision - Vampire Werewolf and Khajiit - Predator Vision v 1_3
Project Reality - Climates Of Tamriel-V3
Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons HD - Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2 NON-GLOW Version
Realistic Lighting Overhaul
Realistic Needs and Diseases
Realistic Smoke and Embers - RSE High v1_4
Ridgeview House - Ridgeview House R2
RLO - Torches for Realistic Lighting - theFlicker Patch - RLO_Torches_theFlicker
RND Patch Pack
Ruins Clutter Improved
Run For Your Lives - Run For Your Lives
Shut Up Mjoll
SkyFalls and SkyMills - Animated Distant Waterfalls and WindMills - SkyFalls plus SkyMills - Total Edition YES Falskaar
Skyrim Flora Overhaul - 2048 tree LODs for v179e
Skyrim Flora Overhaul - Hi-res Pines for all versions
Skyrim Flora Overhaul - Skyrim Flora Overhaul v179e
Skyrim HD - 2K Textures - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Dungeons
Skyrim HD - 2K Textures - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Landscape
Skyrim HD - 2K Textures - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Misc
Skyrim HD - 2K Textures - Skyrim HD v1_5 LITE - Towns
Skyrim HD - 2K Textures - Skyrim HD v1_6 LITE - Riften
SkyUI
Smooth blades draw and sheath
Sounds of Skyrim - Civilization - Sounds of Skyrim - Civilization 1_02 Full Version
Sounds of Skyrim - The Dungeons - Sounds of Skyrim - The Dungeons Full 1_23
Sounds of Skyrim - The Wilds - Sounds of Skyrim - The Wilds 1_13 Full Version
Sounds of Skyrim - Volume Sliders - SoS - Sliders - All in One
Splash of Rain - Splash of Rain v1_04
Static Mesh Improvement Mod
STATUS - STATUS
Stop to Dragon Encounters - MD - Stop to Dragon Encounters
theFlicker - theFlicker v1_0
Torches for Realistic Lighting - Torches for Realistic Lighting
Touring Carriages - TouringCarriages
Ultimate HD Fire Effects - SMIM by Brumbek compatible meshes
Ultimate HD Fire Effects - Ultimate HD Fire Effects -Medium Resolution-
Ultra Realistic Bow Shoot Sounds
Unique Booze Bottles HD - Unique Booze Bottles v1
Unlimited Bookshelves - Unlimited Bookshelves 1-7
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch - Unofficial Dawnguard Patch
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch - Unofficial Dragonborn Patch
Unofficial High Resolution Patch - Unofficial High Resolution Patch
Unofficial Skyrim Patch - Unofficial Skyrim Patch
Visible Windows
W.A.T.E.R. - Water And Terrain Enhancement Redux
Wet and Cold - Wet and Cold v1_231
When Vampires Attack - When Vampires Attack
Winter Is Coming - Cloaks - WIC Cloaks NMM 2_3

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Ladymorphine
 
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Post » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:04 am

well, Stupid question, but was it in between 8am and 8pm which are the times he sells stuff? It does not seem as if you have anything that should affect shopkeepers at all, if you do that might be a possible reason.

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TRIsha FEnnesse
 
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Post » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:48 pm

There are a couple of mods that would seem to affect merchants, but if you haven't changed anything since the last character you played, your problem is unlikely to be mod-related. It could be just a glitch.

That said, do you use a load-order program like BOSS? If not, you may want to try one, just in case. You might also make sure all your mods are updated (if you haven't already).

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TOYA toys
 
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Post » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:33 pm

Yes, I use BOSS and all mods updated and with other character all right :~ What can be wrong? google couldn't find similar problem...

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P PoLlo
 
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Post » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:41 am

Maybe for once Belethor is just not willing to sell any thing? You could try disabling that Cut Throat Merchants mod and seeing if he will change his mind.

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Brittany Abner
 
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Post » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:44 pm

It's worth a try, but I'm skeptical. I've used Cutthroat Merchants in every one of my games since 2011 and I've not yet experienced the problem the OP describes. That said, it's possible that there is a bad interaction between CM and some other mod in the list, so it's worth giving it a shot. There's nothing to lose.

Looking at the list, I see two potential culprits. 1) Hunters Cabin of Riverwood. I don't know this mod, but occasionally a house mod will make strange changes to the town the house is located in. 2) Run For Your Lives and When Vampires Attack. If Riverwood has recently been attacked by a Dragon or by Vampires and sent Belethor indoors, it might be that this has interfered with his barter. (i.e. he may not be able to barter if one of these mods has control over his AI. And if something in the game has screwed up and the flee script on him is still running, it might cause him to not do business).

If no other solutions present themselves, you might try disabling one of those three, temporarily, and see if the problem clears up.

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