My Load Order - What to Merge? : IV

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:45 pm

I have a fairly stable setup and no major problems (few crashes after hours of gameplay, but nothing major), and even though I keep a tab on updates of mods that I have installed, wanted to get input from more experienced users about the latest incompatibilities/updates that i haven't yet read about:

My PC is one a really super gaming mean machine, so I can take on the more graphic and CPU demanding mods with ease:
Intel i930@2.80 GHz
EVGA 480 GTX - 1.5GB DDR5
6 GB DDR3
Win 7 64 bit
80 GB SSD
2 TB HDD2
Connected to 46" HDTV and HomeTheater for video/audio
Motherboard sound (My Creative XtremeGamer crashes the PC, so uninstalled).

I use QTP3 and Bomret's SI textures. I have SI and all the official DLs as well.
I also use OBSE, OSR, WeOCPS, WB, OBMM, TES4LODGen, LandMagic etc. And of course, I can't live without BOSS or BOMM.

My LO:

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Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]3F  DLCOrrery.esp40  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]**  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp41  DLCVileLair.esp42  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]43  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp44  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp45  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp46  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]47  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp48  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp49  PTArtifacts.esp**  Armamentium female.esp4A  kuerteeHorseCommands.esp4B  DLCThievesDen.esp4C  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp4E  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]4F  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]50  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp51  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]52  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]53  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]54  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]**  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp++  OOO-NoLockBash.esp++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]55  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]56  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]57  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]58  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]59  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5A  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]5B  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5C  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5D  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - 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Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]**  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp7D  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]**  DLC_MOBS.esp7E  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]7F  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]**  Cybiades Vwalk.esp80  TOTF.esp**  TOTF Vwalk.esp++  TOTF Delayer.esp81  RTT.esp**  RTT Vwalk.esp82  The Lost Spires.esp**  The Lost Spires Vwalk.esp83  Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp  [Version 1.4]84  Blood&Mud.esp85  Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp  [Version 1.0]**  Blood&Mud Vwalk.esp86  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp87  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp88  MannimarcoRevisited.esp89  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]8A  MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp8B  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]8C  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]8D  ElsweyrAnequina.esp**  ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp8E  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.5]8F  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.2]**  HeartOftheDead Vwalk.esp90  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]91  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp92  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]93  xulTheHeath.esp94  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp95  XulEntiusGorge.esp96  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]97  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]98  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]99  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]9A  SutchReborn-LostCoast patch.esp9B  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]**  xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp9C  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]9D  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]9E  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]9F  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]A0  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]A1  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]A2  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.espA3  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]**  xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.espA4  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.espA5  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.espA6  xulPantherRiver.espA7  Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.espA8  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]A9  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.espAA  NakedNord.espAB  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]**  xulImperialIsle Vwalk.espAC  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]AD  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]AE  Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.espAF  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  xulAspenWood Vwalk.espB0  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.espB1  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]B2  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.1]B3  DwarvenMines-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.espB4  West Roads.espB5  bartholm.espB6  bartholm - 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Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp  [Version 7.1]CF  Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.espD0  IDFQR, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.4]D1  Kobu's Character Advancement System.espD2  Kobu's Personality Enhancer.espD3  Kobu's Health Modifier Mod.espD4  Kobu's Jack-of-All-Trades Mod.espD5  Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp  [Version 1.0.1]D6  Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.espD7  CTAddPose_v_1.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp  [Version 0.76]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.espD8  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]D9  CM Partners.esp**  CM Partners Vwalk.espDA  CM Partners NPC.esp**  CM Partners NPC Vwalk.espDB  CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp**  CM Partners More NPCs NE Vwalk.espDC  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp**  CM Partners Extra NPCs Vwalk.espDD  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 2.0]**  1em_Vilja Vwalk.espDE  DAValeriaCuteElf.espDF  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]E0  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]**  bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]E1  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]E2  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]E3  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]E4  bgBalancingEVOptionalHalvedMagicka.esp  [Version 9.1EV-U]E5  bgBalancingOptionalNoRaceDisp.esp  [Version 9.0UV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]E6  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]E7  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]**  bgIntegrationEV Vwalk.espE8  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp**  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition Vwalk.espE9  BCBravilB&MFULL-Barrowfields patch.espEA  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.espEB  BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland patch.espEC  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.espED  BCCheydinhalFULLB&M-CheydinhalFalls patch.espEE  BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.espEF  Better Cities - Thievery.espF0  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.espF1  Better Imperial City.esp**  Better Imperial City Vwalk.espF2  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.espF3  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]F4  No More Annoying Messages.esp  [Version 1.3]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]F5  bgMagicLightningbolt.espF6  QTdof.esp++  Real Lava 1.3.esp**  Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp  [Version 1.0]++  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]F7  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]F8  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]F9  LandMagicPatch.espFA  Bashed Patch, 0.espFB  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 3.1a]FC  MergedMaps.espFD  Streamline 3.1.esp

Anything you think I should change/update/tweak/uninstall?

IMPORTANT: As I am near 255 mods, anything that you see can be merged into a single esp so that I can add more mods? Your comments are appreciated. :icecream:

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:19 pm

By your own admission your modded setup is working just fine as you have it now.
Why mess with it and run the risk of screwing it up?

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:09 pm

I have a fairly stable setup and no major problems (few crashes after hours of gameplay, but nothing major),

++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
62 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

** TamrielTravellers4MMM Vwalk.esp
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Anything you think I should change/update/tweak/uninstall?

Remove MMM more passive wildlife

Update MMM Diverse Waterlife to version posted in MMM thread post 3

Remove TamrielTravellers4MMM Vwalk since not using TT4MMM once again..

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:04 pm

By your own admission your modded setup is working just fine as you have it now.
Why mess with it and run the risk of screwing it up?

This is how I feel about it, but if you are going to merge anything, stick within a mod. For example, you could merge the QAL add-ons together, the HF add-ons together, the KCAS add-ons and the maybe a few of the RBP add-ons. <-- four separate merges

Do clean updates when you introduce the merges. Save without the plugins you plan to merge active, and then add the merged plugins in their places. Those are the simplest merges you could do. You may want to put off the RBP add-ons merge.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:17 pm

80 GB SSD

Totally off topic, but are you using that for the game drive and how big of a difference is it making?

Back on topic:

F7 NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp

That can be imported and deactivated, gaining one free slot. It's a start

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:04 am

I too would love to know how the solid state drive is working - even as an OS drive, but especially as a game drive. Those seem very interesting/appealing.

As for merging - after trying and failing many different types of merges here are some tips ... avoid mods that are under continual development because merging them will likely void support and with each update you are back to merging again. It is better to stick to mods no longer in developement and are considered done.

Avoid mods that alter cell and world space records - again this can screw up patches and other things like how things are named. If they alter the same thing is even worse.

It is best to stick to mods that only affect specific things exclusively then merge with other mods that have the same scope.

Avoid merging mods that would ruin your game if you uninstalled them - so say you merged a mod that needs to remain installed with another mod that just got updated ... or the merger turns out to have errors.

for myself I've merged game tweaks mostly ... bells and whistles mostly. Anything beyond that I have to accept that whatever it is is temporary as an error may come up and I have to remove it.

Threads on merging:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/898653-a-guide-to-merging-with-tesivgecko/
http://www.gamesas.com/?showtopic=1068317

[edit] and if using Darn (or Darn Dark) then you do not need keychain.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:51 pm

I too would love to know how the solid state drive is working - even as an OS drive, but especially as a game drive. Those seem very interesting/appealing.

As for merging - after trying and failing many different types of merges here are some tips ... avoid mods that are under continual development because merging them will likely void support and with each update you are back to merging again. It is better to stick to mods no longer in developement and are considered done.

Avoid mods that alter cell and world space records - again this can screw up patches and other things like how things are named. If they alter the same thing is even worse.

It is best to stick to mods that only affect specific things exclusively then merge with other mods that have the same scope.

Avoid merging mods that would ruin your game if you uninstalled them - so say you merged a mod that needs to remain installed with another mod that just got updated ... or the merger turns out to have errors.

for myself I've merged game tweaks mostly ... bells and whistles mostly. Anything beyond that I have to accept that whatever it is is temporary as an error may come up and I have to remove it.

Threads on merging:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/898653-a-guide-to-merging-with-tesivgecko/
http://www.gamesas.com/?showtopic=1068317

[edit] and if using Darn (or Darn Dark) then you do not need keychain.

Is DarN even compatible with Keychain?

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:15 am

Whew! Those are some good responses and suggestions already. That's why I love this community :celebration:

By your own admission your modded setup is working just fine as you have it now.
Why mess with it and run the risk of screwing it up?

I guess I am a glutton for punishment, or that's what my wife calls me :facepalm: Frankly, I enjoy the constant updating and learning/fiddling with WB and other tools. Maybe that's the engineer in me enjoying Oblivion in my own way as well...

I know that some things have been updated that might eventually cause problems (I just haven't noticed them).

Arthmoor - thanks for the tip there. I'll fix right away (Shouldn't Wrye Bash's mod Checker tell me that? It doesn't and I never caught it either...)

corepc - the MMM addons/optional/required usually are the ones that I just don't understand at all - I found your latest thread about MMM optional addons (on the first page today), but I haven't understood how to make it play with FCOM... I'll have to study a bit more... thanks for your inputs. Oblivion wouldn't be the same without your efforts! :bowdown:

Tomlong and psymon - Thanks for your suggestions. I'll look into the keychain/DarkNDarn compatibility as well.

QALs for DLCs are already merged into the bashed patch, so I guess I don't need to bother with those, right?

Offtopic:

I have the Intel SSD as both a OS drive, and game drive (in another partition)- it has been blazing fast and awesome overall. I startup in 20-30 seconds, and shutdown in 4-5 seconds!!
For the game, I have not noticed an issue at all and an amazing improvement over my previous computer (no stutter on max settings with QTP3 on this setup), but that could be due to the CPU, GPU and SSD combined... but this has definitely helped speed up things everywhere... I would totally recommend an SSD. :goodjob:

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:52 pm

Whew! Those are some good responses and suggestions already. That's why I love this community :celebration:

I guess I am a glutton for punishment, or that's what my wife calls me :facepalm: Frankly, I enjoy the constant updating and learning/fiddling with WB and other tools. Maybe that's the engineer in me enjoying Oblivion in my own way as well...

I know that some things have been updated that might eventually cause problems (I just haven't noticed them).

Arthmoor - thanks for the tips there. I'll fix right away.

corepc - the MMM addons/optional/required ususally are the ones that I just don't understand at all - I found your latest thread about MMM optional addons (on the first page today), but I haven't understood how to make it play with FCOM... I'll have to study a bit more... thanks for your inputs. Oblivion wouldn't be the same without your efforts! :bowdown:

Tomlong and psymon - Thanks for your suggestions. I'll look into the keychain/DarkNDarn compatibility as well.

QALs for DLCs are already merged into the bashed patch, so I guess I don't need to bother with those, right?

Offtopic:

I have the INtel SSD - it has been blazing fast and awesome overall. I startup in 20-30 seconds, and shutdown in 4-5 seconds!!
For the game, I have not noticed an issue at all and an amazing improvement over my previous computer (no stutter on max settings with QTP3 on this setup), but that could be due to the CPU, GPU and SSD combined... but this has definitely helped speed up things everywhere... I would totally recommend an SSD. :goodjob:

At least your MMM mistakes were not FCOM-related... ^_____^

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:31 pm

Arthmoor - thanks for the tip there. I'll fix right away (Shouldn't Wrye Bash's mod Checker tell me that? It doesn't and I never caught it either...)

The NRB4 readme mentions it

Also I don't know whether the mod checker should catch it or not since I've never used it. It isn't a mergeable file, but since it only contains one thing which can be imported, you effectively have the same thing.

QALs for DLCs are already merged into the bashed patch, so I guess I don't need to bother with those, right?

For your active number of mods, yes, you're already covered. If you're worried about eventually hitting the file count limit for the Data folder, you may need to consider merging them together. If they're all mergeable separate, the resulting single file should be mergeable too. So you still save the slots too.

SSD Stuff: Since Windows 7 tells me my harddrive is what's holding me back, an SSD would make sense to remove the bottleneck. The only problem being the ridiculous cost

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:38 pm

If you turn on Bash's auto-ghosting, since merged plugins are actually deactivated, merged plugins would not count toward anything, anyway...

Edit: wording

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:35 pm

Yes, auto-ghosting is on, so I am covered. Thanks for the reminder anyway.

PS: I've noticed that if I use the ghosting feature of Wryebash, I cannot use BOSS from anywhere else (e.g., fom the data folder, or InsanitySorrow's Oblivion Launcher) but only from the icon at the bottom of WryeBash itself, as it turns off ghosting first, Bosses the load order, and then turns on ghosting again. If I do it from somewhere else, BOSS just piles all the ghosted mods at the bottom of my WryeBash LO!!!

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:10 pm

Yes, auto-ghosting is on, so I am covered. Thanks for the reminder anyway.

PS: I've noticed that if I use the ghosting feature of Wryebash, I cannot use BOSS from anywhere else (e.g., fom the data folder, or InsanitySorrow's Oblivion Launcher) but only from the icon at the bottom of WryeBash itself, as it turns off ghosting first, Bosses the load order, and then turns on ghosting again. If I do it from somewhere else, BOSS just piles all the ghosted mods at the bottom of my WryeBash LO!!!

I did not notice that, but I run BOSS from within Wrye Bash. ...I have not run BOSS through BOMM since turning auto-ghosting on... That would be nasty. I'll ask if it would be possible to make BOSS truncate the .ghost extension when it runs.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:47 pm

The NRB4 readme mentions it

Also I don't know whether the mod checker should catch it or not since I've never used it. It isn't a mergeable file, but since it only contains one thing which can be imported, you effectively have the same thing.

Hi Arthmoor, I was wondering about this... should it be tagged with 'deactivate' which would allow Bash to prompt when rebuilding the patch?

Thanks

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:42 pm

What kind of FPS are you getting?

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:18 pm

What kind of FPS are you getting?

Who?

RLO Database - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=rlo_database <-- You can see some LO's and specs here.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:53 pm

Who?

RLO Database - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=rlo_database <-- You can see some LO's and specs here.

anithinks

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:56 pm

anithinks

Ah, snap, I mixed you up with the OP...

» Sun May 29, 2011 2:14 am

Hi Arthmoor, I was wondering about this... should it be tagged with 'deactivate' which would allow Bash to prompt when rebuilding the patch?

Yep, probably a good idea to encourage the import. BOOS list is updated to reflect it now.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:41 pm

Is DarN even compatible with Keychain?

Yes. I remember having it when I first got DarN.

It is pointless to have both though.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:01 pm

37  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.4]38  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]

39  AyleidStatueMap.esp3A  ShadowbanishMap.esp3B  ShowDaedricShrines.esp

47  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp48  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp

80  TOTF.esp++  TOTF Delayer.esp

B8  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]B9  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]

C3  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]

I have the groupings above merged. Of course, if you fail to load any of the listed DLC, you'll CTD.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:27 pm

I did not notice that, but I run BOSS from within Wrye Bash. ...I have not run BOSS through BOMM since turning auto-ghosting on... That would be nasty. I'll ask if it would be possible to make BOSS truncate the .ghost extension when it runs.

That would be good if this gets fixed. I am surprised nobody else noticed this, but then most don't do ghosting, and if they do, use BOSS right from Wrye Bash...

What kind of FPS are you getting?

Answered in PM. Great FPS all thanks to Streamline and OSR.

Yep, probably a good idea to encourage the import. BOOS list is updated to reflect it now.

Nice to see this change. I thought anything imported in the bashed patch could be checked off (from a check sign to a + sign) to reduce the esp count. I have lately come across 2 exceptions:
- Younger Hotter NPCs (Imported via NPC Faces) - can't select it to a +
- AgarVaried SoundSpells (imported via Spell Sounds?) - can't select it to a + either, and counts as an esp.

I've reported the first one in the WB thread, but the second came up just today... Is my understanding (anything imported in the bashed patch could be checked off (from a check sign to a + sign)) of the importing function flawed? It would be good to know...

37  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.4]38  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]

DONE.

39  AyleidStatueMap.esp3A  ShadowbanishMap.esp3B  ShowDaedricShrines.esp

[i]DONE.[/i]47  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp48  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp

I have to think about this... will my current swords from the quest disappear if I do this. I guess not, but wanted to ask. Also, is there a way to nerf these swords? They are way to powerful even in an FCOM game!!!

80  TOTF.esp++  TOTF Delayer.esp

[i]Already merged in the bashed patch, so no gain.[/i]B8  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]B9  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]

Will do

C3  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]

Already merged in the bashed patch, so no gain.

I have the groupings above merged. Of course, if you fail to load any of the listed DLC, you'll CTD.

Thanks for the inputs aellis - see my replies above. BTW, thanks for the IDFQR mod - love that lil' gem...

This thread has definitely shortened my mod list and helped me update a few mods in the process. :celebration: I also transitioned a few more mods from OBMM to WB today, and feel much better about the cleaner setup too. Thanks to everybody who contributed! :foodndrink:

My new LO:

Spoiler

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Anything else you think I should tweak? Is the Keychain mod really useless with DarkNDarnUI - I assume I can just not open the Keys section header at all to obtain the same functionality...

PS: I still get CTD when I try to grind some gems in my FCOM - I removed MMM Gem Dust plugin (as corepc and vegetabill asked), and am letting OOO do the geomancy thing, but still crashes. Something wrong that you can spot there in my LO?

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:04 pm

Grab the latest version of Item Interchange from TESNexus. Your load order looks fine.

Happy gaming!
- Tomlong75210

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:20 am

So long as these two are imported AND activates, you're fine:

20 All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.9.5]
21 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 0.9.9.5]

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:37 am

Is the Keychain mod really useless with DarkNDarnUI - I assume I can just not open the Keys section header at all to obtain the same functionality...

I use Darnified UI, but I think it is about the same in this regard.
Yes it is essentially useless. The Key chain's job is to shrink the keys down to one space on your menu (as you have no real need to select or see any individual key). Darnified (and variants) allows you to 'close' each section, so you can simply close off the "keys" section (by clicking on the "keys" title) doing the same job.
Actually it goes two better:
1. It gets rid off all key slots, leaving just the title, not even one for the key-chain.
2. The Key-chain tends (or at least it did way back when I had it) not to cover all keys, such as most (if not all) that come from extra mods.

In short; I suggest saving yourself the load order slot.

(Of course some just like the idea of having a key ring, that's fine too of course.)