I dont like it....means that all dungeon loot will once again be randomly generated rather then hand placed with special items and that choosing one dungeon over another will hardly make a difference.....if items are all random, where will the suprise for exploring be?

Playing Morrowind for the first time.

Fresh off the boat I was waylaid by a highwayman who was asking me to pay a "toll". I ignorantly refused to pay it even though I was a wet behind the ears. I got my ass kicked.

And you know what? I deserved it. I was level frickin 1. I don't know what I was thinking taking on a skilled bandit in full armor while I was still wearing my starter gear.

I want that back.

Yea, i feel the same way. If it's like that will still might a have challenge when exploring a dungeon. If it's not, you can just enter every dungeon at lv 1 and then wait till you are lv 5, so you can explore every dungeon at lv 5. That would svck, really.

Yes because someone is going to be able to locate and enter all 130+ dungeones and still be level 1.

Derrrr.

...Yes?
Levelscaling is back remember? And you need to sleep before you can level up.
And people that would use that strategy would totally use a guide on where they all are.

Yes because someone is going to be able to locate and enter all 130+ dungeones and still be level 1.

Derrrr.

No, you don't need to sleep anymore. Therefore you fail.

if items are all random, where will the suprise for exploring be?

My only gripe about locked dungeons as that I would like to possibility of encountering a really tough dungeon at a low level and run away screaming like a baby, only to come back later to get some revenge.

Sorry but can somebody explain what is meant by locked level dungeon? Because as far as I can tell this means dungeons will still be level scaled down to your level however return to the same dungeon at a higher level and it will be locked at whatever level you visited it the first time you went there, if this is the case then how the hell can this be considered good? This in no way shape or form addresses any of the gripes and concerns that everybody had with level scaling and also adds another issue where if you enter a dungeon too early you have effectively nerfed it.

Sorry but can somebody explain what is meant by locked level dungeon? Because as far as I can tell this means dungeons will still be level scaled down to your level however return to the same dungeon at a higher level and it will be locked at whatever level you visited it the first time you went there, if this is the case then how the hell can this be considered good? This in no way shape or form addresses any of the gripes and concerns that everybody had with level scaling and also adds another issue where if you enter a dungeon too early you have effectively nerfed it.

So basically we can't enter a bandit dungeon 100 times through our level up progress, getting better and better gear from the bandits? Oh man.

Playing Morrowind for the first time.

Fresh off the boat I was waylaid by a highwayman who was asking me to pay a "toll". I ignorantly refused to pay it even though I was a wet behind the ears. I got my ass kicked.

And you know what? I deserved it. I was level frickin 1. I don't know what I was thinking taking on a skilled bandit in full armor while I was still wearing my starter gear.

I want that back.

You missed the point entirely....this means that if you went to the dungeon at level one it would be a challenge but not impossible.....but hwne you come back later the dungeon level is locked to when you first entered....aka level one and you should have no problem beating it.

I dont like it....means that all dungeon loot will once again be randomly generated rather then hand placed with special items and that choosing one dungeon over another will hardly make a difference.....if items are all random, where will the suprise for exploring be?

Well... so does this mean dungeons will have everrespawning enamys? Again? They never learn...

"This has been mentioned several times in past threads and interviews, but for those who missed it:

– Yes, there is a variation of level scaling used to control the difficulty of the main quest, so you can proceed through the game’s main story at any time and have a good deal of it (not all) be balanced for to your level and abilities.

– Other areas are “tethered” to certain levels

– There are places in the Wasteland where, if you’re not careful, you’ll certainly get your ass handed to you. Best to leave and come back when you’re better equipped/more skilled. Funny — just a half hour ago, our effects artist, Grant Struthers, told me this awesome story about how he watched a Deathclaw just rip this (well armored) NPC to pieces…

– That said, if you leave an area that’s too difficult, and then return later, no you won’t find that everything has increased in level, and it’s now even tougher.

– No, Raiders won’t eventually be equipped with Power Armor.

The balance has been feeling really great, and the team is really confident that we’ve solved the level scaling issues we had in Oblivion. Yes, we identified those mistakes, and learned from them. *gasp!*

One important thing to remember about Fallout 3 is that the game uses an experience points based system of leveling; you don’t level up based on skill usage. And, you get the majority of your XP from completing quests. So on the main quest path specifically, we are much better able to determine what level you’ll be at — especially your minimum level — when you get to any specific quest.

So while we do some level scaling on the main quest, things are generally at the player’s level anyway, because we know your minimum level along that path. And even where things are scaled to control difficulty, it’s not like a Super Mutant is going to scale down to level 2 anyway. Most of the level scaling stuff we do is just to eliminate frustration at the lower levels.

So by the time you get to the end of the game, you’re going to face challenges appropriate to the level you’d naturally be at."

"Fortunately, Fallout 3 will not use Oblivion’s level-scaling, but contrary to what you may have read elsewhere, scaling isn’t completely discarded.

The first important change is that creatures never scale up in abilities to match your level, so each Deathclaw in F3 will always have the same attributes, regardless of your character’s level when you have the misfortune of encountering it.

Second, each territory in the game is now assigned an encounter level that determines the level and equipment of critters when you discover that area, so a first-level character that wanders into an area designated as 'encounter level 5' will be badly outmatched by the inhabitants. Loot is also generally scaled to the area's encounter level, but some items will be hand-placed, which is similar to how Morrowind handled loot.

An area’s level doesn’t remain static, but it gets locked as soon as you enter it. If you enter a city block designated as a level 5 area, it will remain a level 5 area and never scale up in difficulty. Areas you haven’t yet encountered do “tether up” in difficulty level, but the tethering level doesn’t linearly scale with your level, so there’s still an advantage to gaining experience levels.

The city block that’s initially designated as a level 5 area will tether up and be designated as a level 8 area if you don’t wander into it until you’re a level 15 character. But since an area’s level is locked once you enter it, you’ll still get the satisfaction of returning to a previously difficult area and annihilating it's residents once you have a more powerful character.

Bethesda’s still tweaking these systems, but they should make exploration more interesting and not diminish the regard for advancement by making you feel like you can never really get ahead.

We heard then that gamesas wasn't going to use the same system, but more info was required to clarify even more how things would work.

it better be non respawning dungeons are boring.

All I can see so far is the whole series going down the plug 'ole because of crap like this.

Morrowind did it right, stick to it.