Just downloaded the patch on my brother's PS3 (I own an xbox360, our household has two copies of New Vegas) and started up his save after checking with him it's okay and guess what?

The early rumors are true. The patch makes the game freeze literally within 15 minutes of loading a game WITHOUT FAIL. I have not yet got past the 15 minute mark nor have lots of other people.

If you have not yet downloaded the patch I advise that you hold off on doing so until this is all sorted out. It's not up yet on the 360 (at least where I live) but I am sure as hell not going to download it.

I love New Vegas. I love Bethesda and Obsidian. I really do.

But releasing a BROKEN patch for a BROKEN game that makes it even more BROKEN?

Seriously. What do you spend all day doing over there? The unofficial PC modders probably patch the game better than you guys are.

The last few days I have worked like a slave discovering/testing the bugs in New Vegas and posting them in the hardware&software section to help you guys. I am literally doing your own job for you by doing that. I am paying you to let me do your own job. I love the game so much that I was willing to look past that.

But then you release this patch which completely breaks the game for some of us. Wow. Seriously. I am lost for words.

This is pathetic.

I only have one thing to say.

I'd like to see you do better. :meh:
Seriously, I'm getting sick of all the hostility on here. It's just a freaking game people.

I hav'nt had a problem with the patch on the PS3 yet and i went though the whole war against the Legion without a problem but that did'nt really last long enough to tell if the patch has made anything better.

Don't get me wrong dude, as I said I LOVE New Vegas. I am sick of all the hostility too but enough is enough. I payed $108 Australian for this game and I expect it to work.

Not everyone is rich/well off. I worked very hard for that money. I don't have a good job nor can I get one at the moment. I had to put aside money and save for New Vegas, had to pass up on going out to the pub for every second weekend for a month to save up that sort of cash.

It is not acceptable for people to sell faulty merchandise. Why is it acceptable for Bethesda/Obsidian to sell a faulty and broken game?

One more time - I LOVE New Vegas but ENOUGH is ENOUGH. The second patch has already taken too long to get here but now that it is, it breaks the game even further! It's absolute madness! We have been patient enough!

EDIT: And while I may not be able to do better I am not being PAYED TO DO IT. I HAVE GIVEN THEM *MY* MONEY THAT *I* WORKED FOR.

Oh and FYI if you think the community as a whole can't make better patches than Obsidian/Bethesda you have no idea what you are talking about man. Look at all the bugs still left over in Fallout 3 that will never be addressed. There is an unofficial community patch for Fallout 3 on PC that fixes almost EVERYTHING..

"The last few days I have worked like a slave discovering/testing the bugs in New Vegas and posting them in the hardware section" YOUR DOIN' IT WRONG

HARDWARE =/= SOFTWARE

No I am not "doin' it wrong". I posted it in the hardware and software section along with everyone else posting bugs for them. It was quite obvious what I meant.

Somebody needs to look into whether there were different....I don't know what you would call them, but the people who physically make the game. maybe one of their versions was corrupt. I know with music cds they burn 50 at a time from different setups and computers. maybe one of the original versions came out wrong from the publisher?

The reason I say that is I see people with absolutely no problems.
I see people with only minor glitches
Then there are the people like me, who have nothing but crashes and bugs.

It would explain why this update crashes yours, but believe it or not i've been playing mine non stop since the update and went from a crash per hour before the update, to zero crashes so far

could be coincidence though.

All PS3's pretty much have the same hardware so all or none should experience the bugs, I can understand pc's are different but not ps3s

Oh trust me. I'm aware of the powers of the community. I'm an avid user of the Unofficial Oblivion Patch.

The community can fix multiple things the devs seem to forget, but they also seem to introduce even more bugs by doing so sometimes. It's the same case here. Sometimes fixing one bug can create three more.

Just give the devs time. We haven't really even gotten a "proper" patch yet. Almost all these patches (except for the first one which fixed ONLY scripting issues) have been micro-patches.

At least wait until we get like a 1.2 before going crazy over these issues.

I think the main point is that after the bugs in FO3 and ES oblivion you would think they would learn their lesson, this game should need NO patches only a few days after release to fix major problems. supposedly they had 300 testers and there is no way they found none of these bugs

I totally understand where you are coming from man believe me I really do, but try and see things through my eyes.

I have experienced countless quest breaking bugs causing quests to become incomplete/broken permanently. I have experienced hundreds of graphical glitches and minor glitches involving enemies shooting across the terrain, not fighting back, getting stuck on things, me getting stuck on things, NPCs disappearing, NPCs randomly turning up dead. I was okay with it

42 hours spent playing the same character. I kept 5 different saves. Started it up yesterday morning and find out that all 5 saves + autosave are completely corrupt even though they are all spaced 1 hour apart from each other. Character LOST.. But.. I pulled myself together and started again.. after a hour of being really mad, I was okay with it

Bethesda/Obsidian tells us patches are on the way and to give them time. I believe them and I was okay with it

Now finally, the second patch is released, I think salvation has come and I can finally play my game, start a new character and get the show on the road for real. Finally the game I paid $108 dollars for, that I had to save up for a month for is going to be perfect. I can finally experience it properly.

But no..

The game freezes every 15 minutes and is more broken than it was at release. It is now COMPLETELY unplayable. No matter what you do it locks up within 15 minutes.

I am no longer okay with it... Can you really blame me?

Have you forgotten that this is a HUGE game with over 200 HOURS of content that is VASTLY REPLAY-ABLE???

Of course there's going to be bugs and of course the bug testers aren't going to find every single bug. Especially not with this game since the testers had so little time because of Bethesda's deadline.

This game literally has thousands of scripts in it, hundreds of meshes, thousands upon thousands of textures, etc. This is not as small in scope as say an FPS, therefore it's going to have a lot more issues than one.

It also doesn't help that Bethesda decided to stay with a very glitchy and old engine for so long, which basically forced Obsidian to use it because it had to be the exact same engine as Fallout 3.

With all those factors combined, I'm surprised the bug testers probably found as much as they did in that short amount of time before shipping the game.

That's no excuse bro. Yeah the game is going to have a lot more bugs because of the nature of the game but that simply means they should have hired three times the amount of testers than an FPS would, instead they hire a standard 300 person testing team even when they know they aren't going to find all the bugs.

Bethesda should have been thinking "Oh well let's think for a second. The engine we use is buggy and outdated as all heck so we should make allowances to fix the problems that are going to arise"

Instead.. they don't

man this is bullshlaka, i feel sorry for you man, 40+ hrs gone! so annoying, and you pay them! remember that! you pay them to screw you over!

Exactly.. and nothing is being done.

I'm not going to be stupid enough to actually say I would ever do such a thing so don't misinterpret what I am saying but like.. couldn't some actually sue them for this? They are selling a broken product and deceiving their customers. Is that not going against some sort of law/rule or whatever? I'm not sure how the American legal system works.

I really think someone needs to give Bethesda/Obsidian a good boot in the behind

I do not give them over a hundred dollars for a broken, unplayable game.

I do not give them over a hundred dollars for them to release broken patches that ruin the game even more.

This is wrong. They are deceiving us and cheating us. Literally tricking us into buying a broken product that does not work at all.

Someone should do something :\

I think I might make a complaint to Microsoft about how broken the game is and how they should not let games be released on their system in this kind of condition.

If you are going to complain about the cost (and I can see why) and about how long you had to work and save it.
Why does your household have two copies? I think I would have sufficed with one. But then I live cheaply like that I guess.

And you don't have to hunt bugs and post them. You are essentially complaining that you are doing a job for free that nobody asked you to do.
I mean maybe it is your tone that is coming across wrong to me and setting me off. But really it doesn't make sense to complain about having to do
something nobody requested you to do. You are doing it out of your own free will, on your own time, because you apparently enjoy it...or not cause it also
seems to piss you off to be doing it...though you are doing it because you love the game that much.

I mean there is a real difference in troubleshooting and testing software for bugs versus playing it, enjoying it more or less, seeing a glitch and posting it.
I'm playing on a ps3 as well and haven't had any issues really. A few lock-ups but not many at all. One a day perhaps? Maybe two?
A few weird graphic hick ups...but nothing worth mentioning. AI is a bit weird at times, but I don't think there is much to do about that as it has been weird for
many years now on this engine. So far really the most annoying thing that has happened is I told my followers to wait and then appeared next to me about 30 minutes later.
But that is essentially it as far as problems I have had on the same system. So whatever problems you are having must be in something that is different between your ps3 and mine.
And that requires a fairly detailed report and digging...something I'm thinking you aren't actually doing in those posts of doing their job for them for free. Which
really then you aren't doing their job for them.

Also it is acceptable to sell faulty merchandise. McDonalds and Wal-Mart have proven that.

If you are playing on consoles...I wouldn't be putting much faith in the modding community to able to fix up a better patch.

I had no problems before the patch (excluding one forced return to the Playstation menu in 20 hours of gameplay) and I still don't have any problems. :shrug: May anyone please explain why I have no clue what people are complaining about from experience? I'm not claiming anyone is lying. I believe these people, but why am I not having issues?

MAN...PEOPLE HAVE GOT EVERY RIGHT TO BE ANGRY,IF YOU HAVE SPENT HOWEVER MUCH ON A GAME THAT AT BEST IS BUGGY AND AT WORST IS UNPLAYABLE WITHOUT FIRST BEING MADE AWARE THEN I CAN NOT SEE HOW YOU EXPECT PEOPLE NOT TO BE ANGRY.and venting that anger on here is not only theraputic it also serves to communicate a needed message to the developers.

There's no pancake mix in there! Your deceiving these people!

But seriously, calm down. When the next patch comes out you can play it again. Its been less than a week since it came out in European countries and they've released two patches, I think thats pretty damn good, on my copy of NV I haven't encountered a single bug -not one- so maybe its your machine.

No it is not my machine. My god if you are as ignorant as the guy I am quoting please don't post in this topic as you have no idea what you are talking about and will serve to do nothing more than incite a unnecessary flame war.

If you say you have not experienced any bugs then I believe you. But you have to realize you are extremely lucky and that more people are experiencing save corrupts, game breaking bugs and glitches than those who aren't.

Things like this should not be considered acceptable. I do not see why you guys are backing up Bethesda/Obsidian when you too have been swindled. Even if you haven't experienced any bugs, that is because you are lucky. In time, if you play enough before they get a working patch out you will experience these game breaking bugs / save corrupts and will be just as annoyed as we all are. The bugs ARE there even if you aren't experiencing them right now. I didn't experience any bad bugs at all until about 30 hours in but then they flowed like the Mississippi.

I am not going to calm down. I payed COLD, HARD CASH for this game and I expect it to work correctly. I don't want it to work in a week when a new patch comes out, I want it to work NOW because I payed for it OVER A WEEK AGO. There is no disclaimer saying "the game may not work properly for up to 2 weeks after the game is released due to us doing such horrible testing and fixing the game after release" if there was, I would feel different.

To the people saying "It's just a game dude get over it" IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BEING A VIDEO GAME.

It has to do with us being sold faulty merchandise WHICH DOES NOT WORK!

It is illegal in every other aspect of the economy so why the HECK is it allowed here?

Someone get a group together and start pushing on these issues, it is what we need to move forward in the video game industry.

Inciting a flame war? Im not the one typing in capitals and calling people ignorant.

Sure, its not great that you now have an unplayable game; Yes you did pay money that you earnt for it. But Obsidian did the best they could with the time frame Bethesda gave them, not everyone has the same bugs and its not as easy as clicking a button to fix a lot of them - it takes time. The bottom line is that bugs get fixed, not immediately no, but it does happen. Everyone seems to have known Bethesda and Obsidians track record with bugs and still you all bought the game expecting a bug free release? Im sorry for what has happened to you, but its really not helping by raging at them and others on a forum.

CAPS LOCK is not always cruise control for cool, ya know. :rolleyes:

And how is the game "unplayable"? It's clearly not unplayable if you're able to play it.
Sorry. My way to vent after seeing all this negativity and anger is to be sarcastic. I mean some of the anger is justifiable, yes, but most of the negativity and anger being posted on these forums is just stupid.

Youd like to see me do better?


That is one of the most inane things I've ever heard. It's absurd to


a) launch a game this buggy
B) release a patch that makes the game worse..somehow.

Well, by that face, it seems you're ok with this.

In all seriousness, I'd like to direct you back to a statement I said earlier in this thread.



And that's what's probably going on here.

I have yet to have a problem with my version though. I'm not getting these "lockups every 15 minutes" like you guys are blabbering on about.

Then again, I am on PC. Even though the PS3 version and the PC version are just about the same in the number of bugs.

What are we in? Week 2? This is not the first game to have bugs or game crashes. For christ sake Grand Theft Auto IV was making Xbox 360's completely break. Be glad the game ONLY has bugs. This game will at least take another 2 patches before the game runs really smooth. If you cant wait that long then I dont know what to tell you. Life svcks.

Why is that for some people, this game is unplayable, but for others, it runs nearly/completely flawlessly, on two systems with the same hardware? You're unplayable comment made me think "If it's so unplayable, then why am I able to play it?" Individual results vary, of course, but it's not a faulty, unplayable product for me, so why is such a statement posted as fact?