[Unstoppable Judge]

I prefer DLCs to be spaced out. If LR is truly the last DLC, why rush it out? You're just asking to have NV retired early. Dead Money came out in December and Honest Hearts came out in May. I liked that. I have barely played through OWB and they want LR out.

The faster NV gets "retired", the faster Bethesda takes back over with Fallout 4. So as far as I'm concerned, they can release Lonesome Road today, bugs and all. I just wanna see the end of Obsidian's involvement.

[Yvonne]

The faster NV gets "retired", the faster Bethesda takes back over with Fallout 4. So as far as I'm concerned, they can release Lonesome Road today, bugs and all. I just wanna see the end of Obsidian's involvement.

It's funny to see people adamantly opposed to Fallout being anything other than an alternate version of TES.

[James Baldwin]

I don't see the point to this thread. They already stated this info themselves. Why talk about it? It'll come out eventually.

What if it doesn't?

[I’m my own]

It's funny to see people adamantly opposed to Fallout being anything other than an alternate version of TES.

I second that.

[Travis]

The faster NV gets "retired", the faster Bethesda takes back over with Fallout 4. So as far as I'm concerned, they can release Lonesome Road today, bugs and all. I just wanna see the end of Obsidian's involvement.

Cry some more please,

[Dan Wright]

I really coudn't care less about the delayed release of LR. What makes me mad tough, is the way a rightful (yes they're right) anger isn't respected ("you're being childish" blabla...) C'mon guys...

There's a businessman insulting his customers ("you parano?d freaks!"), a few days later, he announce a big annoucement for the next day. Every healty mind could expect at least a release date. The next day he "just drop by to say : we failed but it's not our fault" and "here's a screenshot, aren't we nice guys?" It is unproffessional and disrespectful. Apologies were the least to be expected, but Mr Bergman seems to be unaware of these social conventions ("sorry?..." was his reply to an angry customer rightfully asking for them).

Mr Bergman, it's not because most of them are teenagers that you can treat your customers like kids. I understand "there are lots of factors involved" and some of these do not fall under your direct responsability. A small delay in your product release is totally acceptable, the way you treat customers eager to buy this product is not.

PS : sorry for this approximative english language

[Peter lopez]

I really coudn't care less about the delayed release of LR. What makes me mad tough, is the way a rightful (yes they're right) anger isn't respected ("you're being childish" blabla...) C'mon guys...

There's a businessman insulting his customers ("you parano?d freaks!"), a few days later, he announce a big annoucement for the next day. Every healty mind could expect at least a release date. The next day he "just drop by to say : we failed but it's not our fault" and "here's a screenshot, aren't we nice guys?" It is unproffessional and disrespectful. Apologies were the least to be expected, but Mr Bergman seems to be unaware of these social conventions ("sorry?..." was his reply to an angry customer rightfully asking for them).

Mr Bergman, it's not because most of them are teenagers that you can treat your customers like kids. I understand "there are lots of factors involved" and some of these do not fall under your direct responsability. A small delay in your product release is totally acceptable, the way you treat customers eager to buy this product is not.

PS : sorry for this approximative english language

1. He never said FREAKS

2. He was joking, and it was it first time to do a joke in his ENTIRE life in this forum, if people overreact about this, then I dont see why is his faul.

[Nancy RIP]

I really coudn't care less about the delayed release of LR. What makes me mad tough, is the way a rightful (yes they're right) anger isn't respected ("you're being childish" blabla...) C'mon guys...

There's a businessman insulting his customers ("you parano?d freaks!"), a few days later, he announce a big annoucement for the next day. Every healty mind could expect at least a release date. The next day he "just drop by to say : we failed but it's not our fault" and "here's a screenshot, aren't we nice guys?" It is unproffessional and disrespectful. Apologies were the least to be expected, but Mr Bergman seems to be unaware of these social conventions ("sorry?..." was his reply to an angry customer rightfully asking for them).

Mr Bergman, it's not because most of them are teenagers that you can treat your customers like kids. I understand "there are lots of factors involved" and some of these do not fall under your direct responsability. A small delay in your product release is totally acceptable, the way you treat customers eager to buy this product is not.

PS : sorry for this approximative english language

he did not say "you paranoid freaks." He was being sarcastic saying "God you guys are paranoid" because a lot of people were talking about the delays. Honestly though, if you guys would stop making JB your scapegoat, you'd have a lot easier times on these forums. You're right, it all boils down to respect, and just because you can't tell the difference between sarcasm/a joke and an insult, doesn't make hin disrespectful. I mean really, calling that an insult is like saying this is an insult: saying your friend needs to seek help because he seems to love cheesebergers too much. Seriously, learn to distinguish between a joke and an insult, and you'll be a lot better off on these forums. As I previously stated, you guys wanted a scapegoat, that comment, along with the assurance that the DLC would be out this month, and the delay, makes Jason Berman the perfect scapegoat for you guys.

And on the note of your "anger not being respected"; it is, just not when a lot of you have a sense of entitlement that comes with it. THAT'S why a lot of the forumites [censored]ing are being called childish, or in my words; spoiled little children.

/rant.

PS - Oh and have you noticed JB hasn't been on the forums since then? You can all thank yourselves for that one. The ONE guy that comes onto these forums that actually likes talking to the fans, and you make him feel 2 feet tal. WTG guys, Bravo.

[Margarita Diaz]

It's funny to see people adamantly opposed to Fallout being anything other than an alternate version of TES.

"alternate version of tes"? really? Good "alternation" then... Daggerfall was fun in it's time, didn't play to Morrowid, but Oblivion was boring beyond words... still nothing to do with the fallout universe. I don't get the point.

[Syaza Ramali]

"alternate version of tes"? really? Good "alternation" then... Daggerfall was fun in it's time, didn't play to Morrowid, but Oblivion was boring beyond words... still nothing to do with the fallout universe. I don't get the point.

Well, I guess i shouldn't say TES, I should say Oblivion. You see, there are a frighteningly large amount of people who played and liked Fallout 3 solely because of its Oblivion-style mechanics and gameplay, they didn't care about the series proper, most of them hated Fallout: New Vegas because it wasn't Oblivion-styled, it tried to be more true to the series proper, and they hate that, they don't want Fallout to be Fallout, they want it to be Oblivion: Wasteland, an alternate franchise with the same mechanics and gameplay as Oblivion. There are people who want Fallout to change to better suit the Oblivion-style play, but I'd prefer the gameplay change to better suit Fallout.

[Alexander Horton]

Ok... didn't even read this "joke" or whatever it is (if he never did a joke before, one could reasonabely think it wasn't), just saw reactions about it, so i'm not the best placed to talk about it. Never intended to hurt JB feelings, i don't care. Just saying angry people have the right to be, people asking for apologies, explanations, or both deserves them. They don't deserve to be insulted by Bergman fanbase on bethesda forum for being "childish".

PS : I dont know what means wtg ("way to go"?) , but it seems Bergman is even more susceptible than his customers... just a few "jokes"...

[Tamika Jett]

Ok... didn't even read this "joke" or whatever it is (if he never did a joke before, one could reasonabely think it wasn't), just saw reactions about it, so i'm not the best placed to talk about it. Never intended to hurt JB feelings, i don't care. Just saying angry people have the right to be, people asking for apologies, explanations, or both deserves them. They don't deserve to be insulted by Bergman fanbase on bethesda forum for being "childish".

PS : I dont know what means wtg ("way to go"?) , but it seems Bergman is even more susceptible than his customers... just a few "jokes"...

That's quite a double standard you're setting, you say that we shouldn't be mean because they should be allowed to voice their opinions, but you are saying that only the ragers and rager apologists opinions should be voiced , a bit one sided, don't you think?

[ezra]

Ok... didn't even read this "joke" or whatever it is (if he never did a joke before, one could reasonabely think it wasn't), just saw reactions about it, so i'm not the best placed to talk about it. Never intended to hurt JB feelings, i don't care. Just saying angry people have the right to be, people asking for apologies, explanations, or both deserves them. They don't deserve to be insulted by Bergman fanbase on bethesda forum for being "childish".

PS : I dont know what means wtg ("way to go"?) , but it seems Bergman is even more susceptible than his customers... just a few "jokes"...

No matter how you slice it making a big deal over nothing is childish.

[le GraiN]

Ok... didn't even read this "joke" or whatever it is (if he never did a joke before, one could reasonabely think it wasn't), just saw reactions about it, so i'm not the best placed to talk about it. Never intended to hurt JB feelings, i don't care. Just saying angry people have the right to be, people asking for apologies, explanations, or both deserves them. They don't deserve to be insulted by Bergman fanbase on bethesda forum for being "childish".

PS : I dont know what means wtg ("way to go"?) , but it seems Bergman is even more susceptible than his customers... just a few "jokes"...

They do when they have a sense of entitlement and are blaming the wrong person. People don't have the right to an apology, it was a joke that a lot of people are being WAY TOO SENSATIVE about and are blowing it out of preportion.

PS - Way to go. And not really. Bergman knows how to take a joke; the majority of the forumites it seems does not as this whole situation has turned into something it isn't.

@Mako Vlazkov - Agreed 100%. I love how one sided some of these arguements are becoming.

@Lord Vukodlak - Agreed 100% also.

[Jarrett Willis]

That's quite a double standard you're setting, you say that we shouldn't be mean because they should be allowed to voice their opinions, but you are saying that only the ragers and rager apologists opinions should be voiced , a bit one sided, don't you think?

I guess you're right... or you would be if any of these "ragers" had been disrepectful to any other forum user than Bergman... didn't see that, but as i don't spend my nights on bethesda forum, i don't know. And i didn' say that only "ragers" opinion should be voiced, but that they shouldn't be shut saying "you're childish, be patient". I said those saying "be patient" were right, i'm actually one of those, but angry people have the right to be, and are no "childish" for being so. I hope i expressed my opinion clearly (not a native english speaker, so i sometimes use too strong words for not much... sorry)

[jeremey wisor]

There are no rights on the internet.

[Kate Norris]

No matter how you slice it making a big deal over nothing is childish.

I plead guilty

[sarah simon-rogaume]

I guess you're right... or you would be if any of these "ragers" had been disrepectful to any other forum user than Bergman... didn't see that, but as i don't spend my nights on bethesda forum, i don't know. And i didn' say that only "ragers" opinion should be voiced, but that they shouldn't be shut saying "you're childish, be patient". I said those saying "be patient" were right, i'm actually one of those, but angry people have the right to be, and are no "childish" for being so. I hope i expressed my opinion clearly (not a native english speaker, so i sometimes use too strong words for not much... sorry)

You know, I can honestly say I am pleasantly surprised. I expected another person coming raging about how we're being "too mean" or "don't have any reason", etc. , but you're actually being very mature about it. My apologies if any of my previous posts seemed offensive or hostile.


PS - Welcome to the forums. :tops: Always nice to see another level-headed forumite.

[Harinder Ghag]

I plead guilty

You should. They don't have to release ANY DLC at all.

You whiners all sound like the little brats at the mall -

"Mommy, I WANT that toy! NOW!!!!"

[helliehexx]

You know, I can honestly say I am pleasantly surprised. I expected another person coming raging about how we're being "too mean" or "don't have any reason", etc. , but you're actually being very mature about it. My apologies if any of my previous posts seemed offensive or hostile.


PS - Welcome to the forums. :tops: Always nice to see another level-headed forumite.

Thanks for your warm welcoming. Didn't felt offensed by any of your post...

You should. They don't have to release ANY DLC at all.

You whiners all sound like the little brats at the mall -

"Mommy, I WANT that toy! NOW!!!!"

Thanks for making my point

[Lilit Ager]

What's worse, a person acting like a child are a person demeaning them because they are acting like a child?

[Ashley Tamen]

Thanks for your warm welcoming. Didn't felt offensed by any of your post...

No problem. I'm releived haha. Last thing I wanna do is ruin a newboarder's first day on the boards.

What's worse, a person acting like a child are a person demeaning them because they are acting like a child?

Eh, depends really Mako, 80-90% of the time? usually the person acting like a child. Maybe10-20% of the time? The person demeaning them. I mean this as a few people have a habit of going overboard. Then again, I DID just pull these statistics out of my ass.

[Mark]

There could be hundreds of reasons why they delayed it. Speculating and getting impatient does nothing but wastes your own time.

Maybe the producer of the project wasn't satisfied with the content, maybe they found a game breaking bug ingrained throughout the design, maybe it's completely out of the developer and publisher hands and are getting beurocratic crap from Steam, X-Box, and/or Playstation 3.

The truth is none of us work there and even if we did, we would be told to keep quiet about what's going on to avoid complaints or bad diplomacy between the company or platforms.

[Amy Smith]

I'm curious. If the delay is "due to circumstances beyond their control" then how can they be "working to get it out as quickly as possible"? "Beyond their control" means there was nothing they could do, so wouldn't any "work to get it out as quickly as possible" be frivolous at best, or a fraudulent claim at worst? And if there is indeed work they're doing to get it out as quickly as possible, why was this work not done before the delay could even occur?

[Matthew Aaron Evans]

I'm curious. If the delay is "due to circumstances beyond their control" then how can they be "working to get it out as quickly as possible"? "Beyond their control" means there was nothing they could do, so wouldn't any "work to get it out as quickly as possible" be frivolous at best, or a fraudulent claim at worst? And if there is indeed work they're doing to get it out as quickly as possible, why was this work not done before the delay could even occur?

Most likely because it has to do with Steam, Microsoft, and/or Sony. Technically then it would be beyond their control and they could still work on getting it out ASAP.