um,,,,im totally not waiting for the GOTY edition,.........have fun not playing Skyrim until 2012 though

How do you feel about the used book market? Or the used car market? I presume that you don't sell anything used, or let anyone borrow anything of yours? After all, if a neighbor borrows your shovel, then he's deny the shovel industry revenue that they deserve!

Trust me, you would not want to live in a world where people cannot sell things that they no longer want. I don't see why you should not be allowed to sell old video games.

On a side note, I don't sell games to Gamestop or any other third party. I sell them on Amazon or Craigslist. Maybe you should ask yourself why Gamestop makes more money selling an old used game once than they do selling a new game? There's something wrong with the entire industry if used products are more profitable than new ones.

Because the video game people have figured out how to stop you, and the book people are still working on it (see: Kindle).

Don't expect to be able to sell used games forever. When it becomes less profitable to the developers to stop it than allow it, they will.

Technically, you've already agreed to allow them to do so according to a lot of EULAs.

Fight on, my friend and more power to you.

I'm just gonna console myself with my 85% off Steam Sale purchases.

I don't buy used books for the same reason I listed above about video games. Same with movies. I however, could care less about used cares. Because *I* personally don't have a real interest in cars and don't feel I *need* to support that industry. Now, since you sell your stuff on amazon and craiglist I have no quarrel with you. Because A. Not everyone can afford to buy everything new and if you are not going to use it it's better for someone who wants to play it/use it to get it. And B. They are directly paying you X amount for your used product you bought new. To me that's not bad because you probably sell it for like $20. Other wise those people wouldn't be able to get the game so it's not really a lost sale. Gamestop on the other hand would give you like $5 then turn around an sell it for $50. I really don't understand how or why people would pay $10 less for a used product but whatever.

It's not strange at all.
Some people collect stuff like DVDs and games.
Some like to sell it on, get extra cash and have more disposable income to purchase anther game.

Then there is me, who wouldn't buy most games new, wait and just buy it second hand in the first place.

Not with TES games though. They do hold reply value and I want it new in box.

apparently a healthy second hand market increases the disposable income to buy new games which fuels sales in the primary market. Removing second hand sales actually reduces the total money being spent on games.
I wouldn't listen to anyone in this thread who is against second hand sales. They have no idea what they are talking about.

Pff you think too short term, November 2021 and maybe it will be free on the 10th anniversary, didn′t they do that with Arena and Daggerfall ?

alright let's compare apples to apples here, entertainment is different than transportation or utility.
you can experience entertainment once and be done with it, but something like a car sees more use.


once again, it depends, I wish the used-media industry was gone.



it's not that game stop makes more money from selling one used games.
let's say someone buys skyrim, giving bethesda $60, and then they sell it back to gamestop for $20.
gamestope then sells it back to someone for $50 landing themselves a solid thirty.
now that guy is done with the game, he brings it back ,and someone else buys it.
let's say this happens 30 times

bethesda has just made $60, while gamestop has just made $900

now let's say there was no used game industry, and that makes half of those buyers sad face, and they refuse to buy a game becuase they can't get it used, so only 15 brand new copies are sold
now bethesda has just made $900

last I checked $900 > $60

if you sell it on places like amazon, they're still losing out on potential buyers because you play and sell, then the next person that bought it plays and sells it, etc.
now bethesda has just made $60 instead of the well deserved 1800

this is mainly why I don't support it.
cars are cars, and many are the same, ford goes out of business? just buy a mazda ( I don't know cars very well but you get the point)
bethesda goes out of business? then no more elder scrolls.
they're different





that's a bold claim for someone that has no idea what they're talking about

I would imagine this is heavily studied by the publishers. Since they are the ones limiting the second hand market, I think you may be wrong about it's benefits to the industry.

I don't mind paying a little extra to have to wait a whole @#%%! year less.

Thats stupid cus you will only have a month to play before the doomsday starts! Ever thought of that? Huh? HUH?

I can understand wanting to support Betheseda, and I will always buy Beth games new. Simply because I want them the day they come out. But I wouldn't worry too much about Beth going out of business. They're a booming company, hell, Zenimax in general is definitely taking in quite a lot of profit. I don't think Beth missing out on some sales is enough to stop buying used videogames.

I simply used bethesda as an example
what if it was a third party company on the verge of bankruptcy?

obviously every sale would count a lot more

well...
have fun with that.

It's heavily studied by economists. I believe if you research how people spend money, economics, in particular second hand markets, it may not seem so evil as you think.

It's publishers being a bit greedy, and imo over stepping their bounds a touch. Trying to grab all the money that circulates in the market for themselves. At the end of the day it harms consumers the most. It probably promotes piracy too.

And in all honesty I really don't need to have GTA4 sitting in a box in the closet let alone on my shelf... Been there done that. Sell it, and there is a few $ for Bethesda and Skyrim. And Rockstar can cry me a river.

Y'know, if the publisher accounts for second hand sales (with no money going to them) that probably factors into the price of the game at release.

Though, not nearly as much as "threshold pricing" (charging the most the market will stand).

edit: Just out of curiosity, was the thread intended merely to vent some frustration, or was there something specific you wanted to discuss or hoped to get changed?

Vent. The GOTY edition will still in all likelihood use Steamworks. So waiting for 2012 just to get a copy that isn't tied to a steam account would be futile.

(S)He's an Xbox player anyway, so it's only the DLC that (s)he is worried about having tied to the account and being unable to sell.

I'm just not sure if they think something about the way DLCs are distributed can be changed?

I agree with the blue haired elf lady
Bleeding edge tech like 1000$ Intel Extreme edition CPU’s is overpriced, buying games you have waited years for is not waste of money. Just accept it the first dvd will break after some years and you need a new one

I am waiting until triple elevensies to buy it.

I'll probably buy it when it first comes out but I won't be getting any DLC unless they are really, and I mean really, really good.

Probably the only two DLC's that were worth paying for were SI for Oblivion and The Pitt for FO3. Other than that the DLC were completely crappy (at least the ones I've played) so I'm not going to be buying anymore DLC.

Wasn't this locked?
Im going to buy all the DLC unless its something unless like horse armor

Seems like you'd be better off with something like Gamefly if you don't like keeping games. That way you could quickly blaze through and "be done" with them and save more precious money than you would reselling them. I'm sure you could knock out at least one game a week, even Skyrim.

I agree with this.

I would never wait a whole year to save a few quid. Money comes and goes, and you can always earn more. And it's the Elder Scrolls V, I mean what are people thinking? :blink:

Digital RIGHTS management.