Looking for a biography of Gaiden Shinji

Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:03 pm

After completing the Arena again Oblivion I've grown curious about Gaiden Shinji. Does anyone know anything more about him other than the one sentence I was able to find on the UESP? I'm particulary interested in any in-game biographies or books containing any historical references to him.

Thanks in advance for any replies.
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:39 pm

http://www.imperial-library.info/

Probably most famous for getting killed by Orcs during the Orsinium raids and for the quote "The best techniques are passed on by the survivors"...the link I provided should answer your question...
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:21 pm

Refer to these sources:

http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/pig_children.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/characters/arena.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/poisonsong.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/mirror.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/adanorcilarticle1.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b064_wayrest.shtml


By most accounts, he was the leader of the Order of Diagna and perished during the Siege of Orsinium. I think he was a Redguard. His name certainly sounds more like a Redguard name than a Breton one.
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:56 pm

not official, but should be:

One group of Forebear with a particular reputation for being bad[butt] was the Badh Mansu, which means basically "Mountainmen." They were mostly remnants of Divad's army, they lived in the Dragontails, and they really had never stopped fighting the orcs. The most famous of the Badh Mansu was indubitably Gaiden Shinji.

Gaiden Shinji was a mother[loving] bad[butt]. Half-insane and entirely mad, he was a real rugged hero. His real name is unknown, but "Gaiden Shinji" was something he made up for himself. Gaiden comes from the words ghai dun, which meant something like, angry (or fiery) in your entire body. Shinji was the adjective form of shinjal, which was a sort of hell said to reside at the top of one of the world's highest mountain. It was a freezing hell, not a firey one, but the word had the basic meaning of "infernal;" also, one of the many names for the Dragontails was Shinjalabau, because of their great height. Thus, "Gaiden Shinji" was a multilayered name, meaning literally something like "Angry and Demonic," but also describing his personality, fierce, and his origin, the mountains. It was even clever in its contrast, "gaiden" implying fire, and "shinji" implying ice.

Again, Gaiden Shinji was a mother[loving] bad[butt].

Anyway, by 1E 948, the orcish pest, which the Forebear had mostly erradicated and in some quarters replaced, had grown stronger than it had ever been since their arrival. The orcs had built a city, Orsinium, which was considered an insufferable offense by the Breton kingdoms. They beseeched the Redguards for their assistance in defeating Orsinium. Normally the Crowns would not even think of it, but the Orcs had been harrassing Sentinel in particular, and it was agreed that they would send an army. Gaiden Shinji was selected to lead the army, because he knew the region and he was a mother[loving] bad[butt].

So the Treaty of Wayrest is signed in 1E 948, and the Redguards finally begin to acknowledge their neighboring states. I believe the siege of Orsinium is described in lore as being like 20 years long and involving no actual fighting.[...] According to legend, he brough Marukh himself to his knees.

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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:31 am

Whooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa to the last part. LOVE to read that li'l tale.
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:14 pm

That story is...an odd one, to put it simply...

Why would he be a Forebear exactly? Crown seems more his speed, and makes more "genuine" sense IMHO...

The siege was 30 years...

How could they/he not of recognized their neighboring states beforehand? Kinda the whole point of the Siege wasn't it?...

No goblin allies? For shame...

And the kicker: he's absolutely bat-[censored] insane cause why?
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:51 pm

30 or 20 doesn't really matter, especially when prefixed with "I believe"

recognizing a state's existence ("holy crap, there is a city next to us") is different from recognizing its validity (tons and tons and tons of real world examples i can't put here, basically, the redguards and bretons didnt recognize the orcs as people and hence didnt recognize their organization as a valid one). that was the whole reason for the siege - the "civilized" races didnt want the beastly orcs suddenly forming some sort of community.

not sure how he would be a crown, they more aristocracy than world-traveling warriors who fight for fun and stuff. Another thing to recognize is that "forbear" and "crown" are not some sort of black and white definitions. forbear in the story speaks more to their origin (descendants from Hammerfell's first conquerors) than to their political allegiance.

anyways, part of the point of that was that we dont know anything about Shinji. He is some dude from Arena, for Talos' sake. His name attests to just how outdated his concept is. Besides the fact that he fought against the orcs as the leader of the Order of Diagna and his little quote we really know nothing about the man. What sload was doing in the story is giving him a face and a personality that says Raga, not Japanese-Noble-Wise-Warrior.
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Post » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:23 am

30 or 20 doesn't really matter, especially when prefixed with "I believe"

recognizing a state's existence ("holy crap, there is a city next to us") is different from recognizing its validity (tons and tons and tons of real world examples i can't put here, basically, the redguards and bretons didnt recognize the orcs as people and hence didnt recognize their organization as a valid one). that was the whole reason for the siege - the "civilized" races didnt want the beastly orcs suddenly forming some sort of community.

not sure how he would be a crown, they more aristocracy than world-traveling warriors who fight for fun and stuff. Another thing to recognize is that "forbear" and "crown" are not some sort of black and white definitions. forbear in the story speaks more to their origin (descendants from Hammerfell's first conquerors) than to their political allegiance.

anyways, part of the point of that was that we dont know anything about Shinji. He is some dude from Arena, for Talos' sake. His name attests to just how outdated his concept is. Besides the fact that he fought against the orcs as the leader of the Order of Diagna and his little quote we really know nothing about the man. What sload was doing in the story is giving him a face and a personality that says Raga, not Japanese-Noble-Wise-Warrior.



I'm not sure why it wouldn't matter since every other source in the universe states "30 years", we'll ignore that as a typo, because it probably is...bottom line is: OP wanted a biographicalesque account, which the story isn't good for...

Nobody recognized the Orcs as a people before the Warp
So the Treaty of Wayrest is signed in 1E 948, and the Redguards finally begin to acknowledge their neighboring states.
^---this is what I'm hung up on, since a Treaty/validity of anything would of been signed before the allying and Siege, would it not? Isn't "We need your help to kill the Orcishes" the entire point of the alliance? Nevermind the fact that the Orcs already had established Orsinium, which is what the entire problem was to begin with...

Again: why Forebear? That makes zero sense, due to the fact that Genjii would have to heed the Imperial "man" and have the Order taxed, watch-dogged, and basically put into a nice little "guild-like" charter, just to keep them in line...defeats the purpose of doing things the "old" way if some guy miles away is calling the shots...Forebears (Redguard) would be cool with that, Crowns (Redguard) would not, thats my point...I'm pretty sure the headmaster of the Order isn't gonna let that fly...this is all a moot point anyways since the definition of both is far beyond what it used to be...

Odd you should say that since when I read the story it rang of "He sounds like diabolical sensei #24...minus the manchoo(?)" If thats the face you want to give (purely psychotic), go right ahead, I just find it passe and strung full of "Achilles-isms" that make my soul groan...

Nobody likes Japanese-Noble-Wise-Warriors anyways, too much of a hardcoe honor code and way too much hari-kari involved...anyhow to reiterate: stories cool for a quick dose of "fan-fic", but falls flat on its face from a biographical standpoint, I'm entitled to my opinion, and I hated it...
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Post » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:31 am

The above was a very vague outline mean to communicate a number of ideas. (For the TR mod.) Things such as 20/30 years are a typo.

Again: why Forebear? That makes zero sense, due to the fact that Genjii would have to heed the Imperial "man" and have the Order taxed, watch-dogged, and basically put into a nice little "guild-like" charter, just to keep them in line...defeats the purpose of doing things the "old" way if some guy miles away is calling the shots...Forebears (Redguard) would be cool with that, Crowns (Redguard) would not, thats my point...I'm pretty sure the headmaster of the Order isn't gonna let that fly...this is all a moot point anyways since the definition of both is far beyond what it used to be...

The Forebears started acknowledging (not working together) with the Empire around the time of Cyrus, which is roughly 2800 years after these events. The reason he was chosen to be a Forebear here seems obvious. In the first paragraph, he and his men are described as restless scout/warrior which better fits the Forebears than then the more sedentary Crowns.

And the kicker: he's absolutely bat-[censored] insane cause why?

Bad, not bat. Important distinction.
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Post » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:56 am

Bad, not bat. Important distinction.

It was supposed to be bat-poop insane, not bad-butt insane.
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:28 pm

I'm not sure why it wouldn't matter since every other source in the universe states "30 years", we'll ignore that as a typo, because it probably is...bottom line is: OP wanted a biographicalesque account, which the story isn't good for...

the OP wanted a biographical account. there is not such thing. the rest of you had already linked to what little we know, so i linked to some fiction based on what we know. i specifically stated that its not lore. i thought it was interesting, and maybe the OP did too.
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Post » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:47 am

The above was a very vague outline mean to communicate a number of ideas. (For the TR mod.) Things such as 20/30 years are a typo.


I suspected as much...


The Forebears started acknowledging (not working together) with the Empire around the time of Cyrus, which is roughly 2800 years after these events. The reason he was chosen to be a Forebear here seems obvious. In the first paragraph, he and his men are described as restless scout/warrior which better fits the Forebears than then the more sedentary Crowns.


To avoid retreading over the whole dreaded political who/whats, a simple retcon to "independent faction" would've sufficed and made a great deal more sense as far as the Order is concerned...


Bad, not bat. Important distinction.



It was supposed to be bat-poop insane, not bad-butt insane.


What Hellmouth said, which is the light Sload was attempting to cast Shinji in, wasn't it?...


the OP wanted a biographical account. there is not such thing. the rest of you had already linked to what little we know, so i linked to some fiction based on what we know. i specifically stated that its not lore. i thought it was interesting, and maybe the OP did too.


I know there's no such thing, and the attempt is commendable, no matter how farfetched I believe it is...
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:27 pm

What Hellmouth said, which is the light Sload was attempting to cast Shinji in, wasn't it?...

Well Shinji pretty much held Khornanite ideals, in that the strong get stronger and slay the weak in an eternal struggle of collecting as many skulls one can :chaos: . The guy was killed though, so either it was because the orcs were being cowards, or Shinji took on 1000 of them at once, and slew them all in a glorious last stand that'd place him in Khrone's eternal bloody warriors from another universe. AHAHAHAHAHAHA! FOR KHORNE!
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:05 pm

What Hellmouth said, which is the light Sload was attempting to cast Shinji in, wasn't it?...


No, you seem to read it as bat-something, which as far as I know is slang for "really insane". Sload was going for bad-[donkey synonym], which is slang for "extremely tough and capable of performing extraordinary feats". By which he meant to say that, like any important Redguard, Shinji could have cut you up, regretted the decision, apologized formally in three different languages, glued you back together and then cut you up again for laughs before you hit the ground. Superfluous information really.
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