Holy smokes modern gamers are so very picky. No wonder people get disappointed in games. They have this kind of hype to deal with? Yeesh. I'm not worried about it at all. This is a video game and not some real life personality simulator. Some things like beggars changing their voice mid conversation were jarring to me, but not game breaking. Obviously they should be avoided, but I don't expect perfect AI.

I want stupid AI in game. Let the hilarity ensue.

That example didn't sound that bad. He heard his comrade die but didn't know what it was and started investigating. At least, that's my wishful thinking.

Well clearly perfection is a standard no game developer could reach. However, BGS should and does strive to make a fully-realized and believable world that people can explore and have fun in for hundreds of hours. As long as Skyrim's Radiant AI is a huge improvement over Oblivion's in believability, that will be fine enough.

*Gets hit in the face by arrow*

*Looks around*

"Wow I really gotta cut down on the Ale... I'm hearing things."

*Relaxes again, arrow still sticking out of face*

It's all about the audio cues for me. If they yell "I'm sure i heard someone!" when their friend has just been skewered, i'm gonna be annoyed. Just make the Audio cues general so this doesn't happen Beth. Otherwise it's very jarring

Games not finished. I wouldn't worry about it.

This thread is fantastic. Classic internet.

I certainly hope NPCs will recognize the bodies of their fallen companions and start searching around, even if they haven't heard anything.

This reminds me of a time while playing fallout 3. I was sniping super mutants standing in a group. I blew the heads off of three of them before missing. They all just stood there doing nothing until the missed shot hit the rocks behind them. That was when they realized there was something up.

So how do you miss three of your friends(?) dropping dead at your feet, but then notice a bullet hitting something near you? Sure they are stupid, but not that stupid.

I really hope that this has been, or is being, fixed.

I hope they improve that a little, otherwise i'll just avoid doing stealth kills with multiple people in a room.

Yep aware of that thanks. I'm only concerned because pretty much every game has made this mistake. A more likely scenario/cue would be if the alerted character just swore. Then started searching. If they stop searching (which they shouldn't if a friend has been killed) then they should just say something like "I've got to stay focused" something along these lines anyway.

It's only nitpicking but it is a completely avoidable scenario. Don't worry Dragon i'm only making observations.

Youre right.
I remember reading how the second bandit went looking for you, but got an arrow in the neck before it could harm the player.

edit: quoted wrong person lol

ahh the perfect ai...so perfect in fact that it knows that it is in an virtual construct and breaks the fourth wall by talking to the player in order to get some answers on the meaning of virtual life. :rofl:

How is it goofy? They were in the shadows, Shot the bow, Killed the bandit and the female said I knew I heard something. Then looked for the player. Doesn't sound goofy to me.

Not necessarily goofy if the others try to search the player.

However, they need to do something nervous IF nothing was found in about 30 seconds...
I surely don't wanna see them go back & finish dinner. Hope not.

As soon as any NPC catches "wind" of the player, they should immediately yell out, "NWAH!!!" and run around trashing everything. "You want this golden claw [censored]? Think again svckaa!" And they toss it off the cliff. I would never leave my house if the game was like this.

In regards to the amount of dungeons yeah it keeps going up, at first I read there was 120 dungeons now in this new info they are saying its up to 140, wonder what it will be at by the time the game has gone gold?!! Just hope that they don't start to become generic, Oblivion was guilty of this and the dungeons didn't draw me in like I had hoped, after you had been in 20 or so they all looked and felt the same!

To the OP don't stress the game is still pre-alpha as others have pointed out, there is still lots of things to sort out and I will guarantee some of these things will be related to NPC reactions!

Yeah this sounds like an issue of the voice-actor's performance, not the timing of the dialogue.

Would it be so hard to have a line-of-sight instant death reaction override in the AI? The moment a faction-member or neutral dies within visual range others are instantly alerted and spring into action? I see this missing in games all the time, Crysis 2 was horrendous with this, for want of a recent example.

I really hope they improve the AI from previous installments but I honestly won't be expecting much...

AI in general is still pretty terrible nowadays.

Do you all actually expect to have perfect AI? So it has a few weak moments or bugs here and there, but we all know it's better than any game that has been released so far.

We head in to the temple and Dovahkiin switches to crouch mode for stealth. Inside we see a female character, and Dovahkiin’s creeping skills are shown up as rubbish.

“I know I heard someone,” says the NPC as she spots him and takes him on. Big mistake: she’s immediately loses. Afterwards, Howard loots a nearby chest, but insists the dungeon crawler bits won’t just be based on combat.

This. Some people have posted that it was ridiculous for us to jump to conclusions about what the first quoted article meant, but given the precedent, it wasn't a stretch to assume that sneak may very well svck again. That phrase is not fitting to the scenario such that her companion just died. It is befitting to her "detection level" nearing the combat stage, like OB had. Indeed, if her response really was to her companion being killed, to make this clear and less "not on point" she should indeed scream or gasp really loudly, or say something more like "To arms! To arms!" (if there are other members of her faction somewhere around. The confusion over what happened would be greatly lessened if the dialogue matched the supposed AI improvements.

Meaning his sneak skill is low?

I noticed this a while ago, I'm hoping they're still tweaking AI behavior, but I don't expect it to change much.

It's actually closer to Fallout's, which is much better than Oblivion's, but still disappointing.

To be fair as well, Dialog assignment may not be completed as well. The events in the demo aren't scripted like a normal demo, down to the finest detail, so that's a possibility.

The voices of the npcs in that demo might have been place holders from oblivion. I seem to remember that they were doing the voices last. The actual dialogue might not be ready yet.