In Fallout 3 if you killed someone or if you found this person dead you could take things off their dead body without negative karma but when you went into a house of a deceased person and pick something up you would lose karma has this been fixed?

I really hope so.

I hope they fixed it that bothered me a lot

I hope you can sleep in there beds aswell, i mean they don't need it any more.

Yes exactly IT Still said it was owned and I hated that! AND this will be a problem on hardcoe

Well it's not like they need it anymore.
Don't understand why I got bad karma for digging up graves in Fallout 2.
It's the same thing to me, not like they're going to need it.
Better that I get their stuff than the maggots.

I hope that I can sleep in an owned bed after I've killed the person who owns it.
Don't care if I get a karma hit, just as long as I can take his/her house once I murder them.

They are all evil acts and deserve some kind of retribution. See how far it gets you in real life. Go to the local cemetery and dig up a grave. When you get arrested tell the police that they don't really need their items anymore. Desecration and profiting from murder need a karma hit.

Just remember to clean the bucket when the outhouse out back gets filled.

Common courtesy.

Okay maybe you should take a Karma hit if you killed the person who owns the bed then tried to sleep in the bed, if they die another way and you need the bed I don't see why you should take a karma hit.

Yeah negative karma for killing someone but you should be able to sleep in the bed... If you have a 10 charisma then you should be able to sleep in anyones bed!

you are implying to see how actions in video games play out in real life,but the truth is thats its a video game.

Bucket in an outhouse ?? what kind of outhouse is that ? outhouses are placed over trenches that can be topped with lime periodically, or refilled with earth then moved to another location/trench.... Im just saying Im old enough to remember using them in some places, the idea of a bucket that needs emptying makes me very nauseated lol... as does the need to use a nasty outhouse for that matter...worse then port o pots yucky

Digging up the graves in the middle of the Den should give bad karma but I agree why should I get bad karma digging up the graves out at Golgotha? No ones around unless you count Willie! :shocking:

On topic I hope it's fixed. If the person is dead and I did not kill him, no one around It should not count. Good thing about New Vegas, Karma will not matter that much thanks to the reputation system.

Yeah but the bed thing will on hardcoe mode

Karma in Fallout New Vegas is based on your soul. As in if its evil you'll take a karma hit if it's good you'll gain karma. Regardless if people are around or not. The reputation system on the other hand is entirely different.

Stealing a dead guys stuff which you probably killed isn't exactly what i'd call good natured. I do agree though that they need to allow you to sleep in any bed regardless. Maybe if you sleep in someones bed and they come home they come at you with a knife or something.

I dont think diggin up graves would give you much anyway in this type of world, whos gonna bury anything of worth with the deceased...just wouldnt be practical, not in this type of scenerio.

Hope they don't have the Mr sandman perk.

Yeah but if you didn't kill the person like at tennpenny tower the ghouls killed em all

Its a video game which tracks your morality which seems to be based on the real world and even then it is quite generous. I have only played FO3 so I only commented on the graves from FO2 from the description given by the poster. The measure of morality works in the game because I already know before I play the game what is wrong or right. I know killing someone just to take their goods is a wrong action. I know I should not dig up graves. I do not have to learn a new set of morality to play the game. It is assumed knowledge. That said many games allow you to dig graves (Fable for example) with no problems.

So you're saying we will be able to sleep in a bed that's owned but we will get bad karma for sleeping in it?

Come to think of it i remember Josh Sawyer saying in an interview he never had problems finding a bed to sleep in and he plays on hardcoe mode. Still not sure if that means it's fixed or not.

I think the owner should just kick you out of the bed and their action is based on their morality from yelling to violence. There should be no karma hit.

I don't have time to hunt down the quote from two months ago, but it has been said by one of the developers or producers that in New Vegas you can sleep in owned beds, you will just take a karma hit similar to stealing. (Because, essentially you are stealing the use of the bed from its legitimate owner for one night.) I do hope that the beds of dead NPCs cease to be owned, however.


I laughed so hard in Fallout 2 when I realized that my character had picked up a special "reputation trait" due to her proclivity for digging up graves:

Grave Digger: "They're dead, they don't care," has become your motto. Digging up the remains of others is more than a hobby for you.

As for why you get a karma hit, respect for the dead is a very, very ancient tradition, and stealing items that they, or their friends or loved ones, chose to bury with them, is near universally seen as bad. Since the Cro-Magnons buried their dead with flowers, pots, etc. I'm betting even our ancestors 80,000 years ago disapproved of grave robbing.

I'd say whether or not it is truly immoral comes down to one thing - do you truly need the dead person's possessions to continue to live yourself? It is the difference between taking a dead person's shoes because you are bare foot and it is snowing, versus taking the dead person's shoes because they look a bit shinier than your current pair. One is excusable, both in a greater moral sense, and in a social sense as well. The other is not.

Taking a little bit of a karma hit is ok I guess.. I mean I constantly stole things in F3 and it really didn't seem to lower your karma by very much at all. I played a thiefy type character my first time through and still ended up having very good karma.
There will be a lot more moral decisions to affect us this time around so I"m really looking forward to that.

No that in fallout3 your not allowed to sleep on the persons bed but if that person was dead you would still not be allowed to... on hardcoe mode in new vegas you need sleep if you find a persons bed and they are dead you might be able to sleep in the bed Im hoping that is so