Lore Implications of the New TES Novel(s) : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:10 pm

It won't trash the lore. Bethesda won't let that part of fan hysteria come true.

I simply expect it to ignore the lore and tell a story completely detached from it, while obeying all the rules.

While I don't like Keyes' writing style, his ideas are the right kind of crazy.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:41 pm

While I don't like Keyes' writing style, his ideas are the right kind of crazy.

:cookie: Semi-approval by the God of TES Lore.

That's all I needed to hear

Though really, they should have gotten you onboard Micheal! It still won't be as good as it could without your input.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:15 pm

I think I'll just read the cliffnote version on TIL.

*fangirl squeel* It's MK! :wave:

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:45 pm

It's was merely a hypothetical [and a slight correction inregards to the facts we currently have] in response to paw's suggestion (that what if it was Ebel's bastard). And as far as we currently know, all of the Emperor's (Uriel's) Sons are dead, which is a fact, unless The Infernal City either changes this, or elaborates upon it *snip*

Or you're all missing the obvious.

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:59 am

Or you're all missing the obvious.

...that this is a new Royal Lineage?

(Oh, and there's also the fact it mentions 'rescue the kingdom from doom', instead of 'rescue the Empire from doom' which could imply that there is no longer a unified Empire, and this is rather talking just about Cyrodiil.)

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:32 pm

...that this is a new Royal Lineage?

(Oh, and there's also the fact it mentions 'rescue the kingdom from doom', instead of 'rescue the Empire from doom' which could imply that there is no longer a unified Empire, and this is rather talking just about Cyrodiil.)

Long live the Colovian Estates, yo.

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:27 am

Long live the Colovian Estates, yo.

Yeah. The Colovians are the better imperials anyway.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:36 pm

Long live the Colovian Estates, yo.

Home to the West Side Bards, with such dirty beats as 'Farewell to Colovia', and 'The Imperial Volunteer' :intergalactic:

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:44 pm

Or you're all missing the obvious.

The Akaviri Potentates and Redguard children? I don't think that's very obvious... :huh:

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:43 pm

Or you're all missing the obvious.

Martin...(?)

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:01 pm

Martin...(?)

Well, Matin was...30ish or 40ish? And he did spend time doing thing for Sanguine in his youth so.............there is a chance he may have a kid, and one around the assumed age of at least 17.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:45 pm

Well, Matin was...30ish or 40ish? And he did spend time doing thing for Sanguine in his youth so.............there is a chance he may have a kid, and one around the assumed age of at least 17.

Since Martin is dead - or at least, gone - wouldn't such a son be the Emperor rather than just a prince?

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:52 pm

It's was merely a hypothetical [and a slight correction inregards to the facts we currently have] in response to paw's suggestion (that what if it was Ebel's bastard). And as far as we currently know, all of the Emperor's (Uriel's) Sons are dead, which is a fact, unless The Infernal City either changes this, or elaborates upon it (but doesn't discount any of them having Bastard children, but most likely discounts if they were to have had Bastards, that it wouldn't be Prince Attrebus, because it mentions his father being the Emperor in the blurb, which would most likely mean that his father was alive (as when each son died, semi-excluding Martin, they were Crown-Princes), or that his father had been alive, and named Emperor prior to dying).

And dude, seriously? That's something you really should go to the doctors for :blink:

You have good points, but again we have no way of knowing until more information is given or the books come out.

I'm only covered for yearly checkups and injuries. It'll keep. It's been doing that on and off for a few years. But this isn't about my ocular health, this is about the TES books.

While I don't like Keyes' writing style, his ideas are the right kind of crazy.

I still think they should have got either you or someone else already tied to the series. Like I've said, I hate "word of God" canon in relation to TES's type of lore, but rather you than an outsider by a long shot.

As for "the Obvious" you mentioned, that would be the sanguine cult orgies that he must have been in if he were really a Rose-Bearer at any time, right?

But either way, can't go in any direction as to definitive story yet. We can safely make some inferences (the city thing is unambiguously evil, the chick and Prince will probably discover thier sixuality with eachother, etc) but little beyond those safe staples of popular fantasy lit.

As for the ages, if it was two thirty somethings do you think the initial reaction would have been so bad? (this is directed at everyone) I mean, when you have two young characters, you tend to eye-roll at the aparent obviousness of a romance subplot.

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:46 am

I wonder at the reactions if the blurb were like this: "It is up to an unlikely duo ? a hundred-and-seventeen-year-old witch named Nulfaga and the Emperor's young son, Prince Attrebus ? to rescue the kingdom from doom."

:)

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:35 pm

I wonder at the reactions if the blurb were like this: "It is up to an unlikely duo ? a hundred-and-seventeen-year-old witch named Nulfaga and the Emperor's young son, Prince Attrebus ? to rescue the kingdom from doom."

:)

At kleast the duo would have actually been unlikely, I suppose. Everyone has a young man and teenage girl. But this is more a discussion for the TESGeneral thread than this one.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:15 pm

Or you're all missing the obvious.

The Infernal City is gonna resurrect some dragon-blooded relatives?

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:09 pm

The Infernal City is gonna resurrect some dragon-blooded relatives?

I think we're missing something here that MK must have noticed, though I'm not intelligent enough to figure it out. We should probably quit hypothesizing Septim illegitimate children, and assume that this is a new line of kings. Possibly it's a line of kings with a heritage as old as the Septims, for all we know.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:52 am

I think we're missing something here that MK must have noticed, though I'm not quick enough to figure it out. We should probably quit hypothesizing Septim illegitimate children, and assume that this is a new line of kings. Possibly it's a line of kings with a heritage as old as the Septims, for all we know.

... A new line resurrected by the Infernal City?

It's gotta be along those lines, why the emphasis on death and resurrection?

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:43 am

... A new line resurrected by the Infernal City?

It's gotta be along those lines, why the emphasis on death and resurrection?

I didn't get that from the blurb, though I'll go back and check. It sounded as if the city is only creating zombies. By saying "line of kings" I was thinking of the Redguards and others.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:05 pm

... A new line resurrected by the Infernal City?

It's gotta be along those lines, why the emphasis on death and resurrection?

The city seems to be turning them into zombies, so I doubt that they're really resurrecting former relatives.

Death, resurrection and the change it produces is a staple of Western literature from Ovid to Tolkein, and probably some since then.

*Xui ducks and awaits the onslaught of the literary snobs.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:22 am

Myah, probably. It doesn't specify "resurrection" so I'll cede that.

Keyes could have written anything, and MK has partially nodded at its weirdness.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:12 pm

Or you're all missing the obvious.

Hill [censored]? Please let it be hill [censored]. I want somebody to [censored] the flying city. Or something.

Or is that the wrong kind of crazy? haha

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:02 am

Ignoring the issue of the prince, a floating city that kills and resurrects people seems a little... different from most of the lore in the Elder Scrolls.

Would it be better if the flying city was dropping feces that turned people into Orcs? It would be exciting excrement. Though the Elder Scrolls is too involved with robots to leave those out of the books. Maybe the robot dragons live in the flying city.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:17 pm

The Akaviri Potentates and Redguard children? I don't think that's very obvious... :huh:

Redguard children? I missed that.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:37 pm

Towers.

Dwemer.

Princes? No, not in the literal sense.