I like the idea that Martin had a child or children. As a supposed Priest of Sanguine in his teenage years, he would have both been of physical age to sire children and of the proper amount of moral inhibition to have lots of casual six. This Attrebus kid, if he were 16 or 17 years old, would fit the perfect age range for such an offspring. Martin was possibly as old as his mid to late forties when he died, depending on how well he aged. He was more than old enough to have an advlt or near advlt son, whom would in turn be more than old enough to hold a sword (or spellbook) himself by the time the Oblivion storyline ended.

I don't see why Sanguine worship has to be brought in to explain the possibility that Martin could have had six and children. And of course his son could be of just the right age to be the hero of the forthcoming story. However, a lot of weaseling would be required for this to work in the context of the blurb: Martin never became the Emperor, and is quite dead or as good as dead. Like somebody said already, if Attrebus is his son, than he's not a Prince, he is the Emperor.

What I think we're obviously missing is that while Attrebus is the son of the Emperor, the thing to be saved is not the Empire: it's the kingdom. I don't know what to make of it, but to me it seems that putting these two ideas in the same sentence can't be a coincidence.

A mischievous thought, but maybe Attrebus is the son of an emperor outside of Tamriel: Akavir.

I doubt he will be Martin's son; that would be too similar to the plot of "Oblivion".

The son of Tosh Raka would quite literally be "Dragon-born".

Unless they crowned Martin, claimed he is not dead, just a bit stony, and have Attrebus as Prince Regent (commonly used when the monarch was otherwise incapable). For there to be a son of the emperor does not necessarily require the emperor to be alive.


Bit of an Imperial name, Attrebus, though Annaig, possibly?

Yah but The Infernal City is set after the events of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion?, the latest game in the video game series, and finds the citizens of Tamriel once again facing an uncertain future.

So, it's set in Tamriel pretty much. May not means the characters are though.

Annaig sounds more like it would be a Nibenese name.

Unfamiliar names sound Nibenean. Annaig is an obscure name with Celtic roots. RL Breton, I believe,

has anyone ever considered the possiblity of looking back at the dialoge of oblivion for hints as to the next not game but novel. I came up with one thing that could possibly be related. Quate from Thurindil from anvil "son of Julianos and Mohi-Titona, Queen of Akavir" "These slugs climbing my spine itch something fierce" "Mother's coming for me in the dragon ships. I don't like these itchy clothes, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish." most people take this as nonsense but what if he's like the profet from morrowinds expansion bloodmoon and what he says is like a prophecy of what happens in the book. what I interpit is that the flying city is comeing from akavir and that this might be a prelude to an invasion. dragon ships could be the flying city. now the turning of people into undead is possible due to the sloads involvement also because sload has been associated with slugs. now this is just grasping at straws but maybe. If this is true which any one of these theorys could be, then it would possibly bring new light to the lore of the sload and akavir.

And you're going to trust a crazy (if I remember right) wood elf who is rambling on about being descended from snake people and an Aedra to give you an accurate prediction of things to come? Sure the wise madman is used often in literature and games and such, but I believe this person was intended for comedic effect. Much like that Skingrad alchemist.

No, if you take the other games in context with Oblivion, then Oblivion was the deus ex machina that ended the whole "in the waning years of the third era" slew of plots, leaving a new direction of related plots to come. In other words, leaving the next developers the freedom to not have to grasp at plot threads... although there are still a few hanging around.

Leave them or make them a game, I say. I put it in the other thread in tems of gameplay, but here it is in terms of lore: In Morrowind, we had all these predictions of political and religious unrest, doppleganger sons, Tharn's posthumous effects on the Empire, etc. In Oblivion, with no explanation, all of that was gone. Yes, they were all dead, but somebody would have mentioned the problems with succession at least once in all of Cyrodiil, yes? While I'd rather we got a game with all the cool leadup we are regularly given intact, at least this time we'll have an explanation as to why the world of Practice for Fallout: Skyrim dosen't seem to suffer from any repercussions due to the events of the last game.

Well I think that the old Septim lineage is washed out and only exist i various distant cousins and bastards in numerous royal houses. Their place center stage has played out for now.

The old empire is as dead as the old emperor. Welcome the new empire and the new emperor. I believe that either the elder council or the imperial army somehow managed to save part of the empire/kingdom by appointing/allowing a strong man to seize power. This man, although maybe only ruler of Cyrodiili (or wherever his kingdom lies) calls himself emperor and try to emulate the old empire.


A floating necro city killing all in it's shadows seems a bit over the top, why not writhe a book about the aftermatch and the end of the third era? Who need big bad guys more powerful that gods when they have intrigue and different factions on a power trip? Heavy intrigue may not work well for games where the most need some big baddies, but in books: Gimme intrigue and plots!

Yeah...we have to assume that if much time at all has passed, the Elder Council would have appointed an Emperor.

Doesn't have to be a Septim at all, or a Cyrodill or any relative of theirs. New Era, new Rules. No Dragonfires required. We got a Dragon statue, thank you very much. Empire needs and Emperor. I imagine any charismatic and powerful character would do. A former Count, or General, or perhaps a King...

Helseth? Does he have sons? Could Attrebus be a Dunmer name? A wild idea but I like it.

Well Tharns child should be a Dark elf since Barenziah's the mother, who knows.

Honestly though I thought maybe Ocato made himself emperor and Attrebus is descended from him.

I don't think Ocato will try for the Ruby Throne. He's a cipher, and probably a mediocrity; just another bureaucrat for all I could tell.

Helseth is Ted Peterson's character as far as I know; and in the Lore RP, Ted wrote Helseth as preferring to consolidate his rule over Morrowind (after the Oblivion Crisis) -- not really interested in trying to be Emperor, and realistic about his chances. Although this isn't canon, hopefully Bethesda's concept of Helseth doesn't differ too much from Ted Peterson's.

I still think Attrebus is from another line of kings -- we won't see distant relations of the Septims come back to power (IMO).

The most epic question haunting the supple mind of America's youth shall. Be. Answered. "Why was Mannimarco so easy to pwn?" You will be shocked by the answer! You will contort in un-holy terror at the plot! Blood will spew from your eyes when the Prince and the Dark Lord lock into battle for the fate of the universe in, Oblivion II the Novel: Zombie Apocalypse!

So I don't see any implications to the lore with the first book based on what we know, but just a method for reminding people who forgot there is a Tamriel, and it has officially lost "subtlety".

With the new book coming out and the "exciting" plot behind it, mentioning an already established dynasty. TES V is probably to going skip all that interesting stuff concerning the battle for the Ruby Throne and we'll be stuck with finding meaningless plot devices (magical rings, swords, or staves) and save the world so NPCs can take the credit and like always, the hero will fade into obscurity.

Sorry but this book sounds to me exactly the same as *TES boy that lets his completely TES-ignorer father/brother/friend to play and the first thing he does is to take an iron shortsword (although he had in the same room a daedric claymore), then stuck himself in the water until a slaugherfish kills him*

It doesn't matter that TES-wise people is behind him: nothing good will come from this. And the more I hear (didn't heard about that floating city until just now), the more sure I am

I agree, beat you to it though. But again, at least it's better than what happened between Morrowind and Oblivion where we got no explanation at all as to where all the cool stuff went.

Yes, just like the tribunal came out of left field with no explanation whatsoever, just like the Numidium in Daggerfall, just like the Battlespire, just like the disappearance of the Dwemer, just like this whole Sheogorath is Jyggalag thing.

I could go on, but my point is proven. Just because there hasn't been any mention prior to the release of the work automatically means that whatever plotty things that go on in it, its automatically going to be bad. Its not true. Take the Matrix for example, when you boil down the plot to a couple of words, it becomes "man who must discover his true potential must free humanity from a life of bondage that they didn't even know was bondage."

Although, I will grant you that the blurb does make the plot sound tired, hacknyed, and stupid, I am looking forward to being able to consume a form of media that allows you to go into detail about the little things.

Alternatively, this will be the first unoriginal universe book that I will pick up. Am I a fan? Yeah, I think so.

I think this has the potential to become the "improvement by addition vs. detraction by subtraction" argument again. Those either built on preexisting ideas or made them up and fleshed them out on the spot. While the book could do this, like you also said it does sound generic and stupid based on what little we know.

Didn't Vivec make an appearance in Redguard? :unsure:

No, you might be thinking of the http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/viveccyrus.shtml.

I agree that the book hasn't come out yet, but I disagree I shouldn't judge -- based on what we know -- the plot remarkably undazzling. The epicness approach has sold well, but it still tries way too hard to make me care. The novel sounds way too much like the videogames and less like the fiction stories. I could be totally wrong, and I am still anticipating the release.

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Take the Matrix for example, when you boil down the plot to a couple of words, it becomes "man who must discover his true potential must free humanity from a life of bondage that they didn't even know was bondage." "Postmodern Jesus" ^_^

Well, I'm not too surprised by a floating city, if even a part time god like Vivec can "convince" a moon to float over Vivec City to be used by the Ordinators.

I have a theory about the city, but since i'm not familiar with the KotN-Plot, where Meridia plays a role, this might have been proven wrong before... Anyway, since Meridia hates the Undead, the floating city may be something she'd fight. And maybe she did ages ago, but didn't find a way to destroy it. So she might have taken the city into her realm to keep it from destroying the life on mundus. Maybe during the time of the weak sphere barriers , someone started a process to free the city from Meridias grasp, making it suddenly appear a few years after the Crisis. This of course wouldn't explain where the city came from in the beginning, but would widen the time frame to find a good origin.

Oh, and i just hope they don't go the "returning mad Dwemer transformed by traumatic experience" path.


on a side note: if I was to write such a novel, i might just write the "generic Hero story"-part and leave the lore behind it blank. Then i'd give a few clues about what the story should be and just wait for the fan forum to provide the lore...

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