This thread is for the discussion of only the Lore Implications, and Lore Hypotheticals that the new novel(s) being written by Greg Keyes have on the world of TES, so aside from weither you think that books should be written or not, if what they've released to the public sounds any good or not, discussions about the author and his other works, or something else about the books that isn't related to the Lore Implications or Lore Hypotheticals (e.g. whats the implications of an emperor existing after the events of TES Oblivion? Hypothetically what could have happened based on the current political powers at the end of TES Oblivion?, etc), in which case if you do, http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=983631&st=0&start=0.

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So, in blurb for The Infernal City, we're told that there's a big floating city of doom -question is, how? Discuss.

We're also told that this city is connected to the undead (simultaneously killing people, then resurrecting them, while under it's shadow -does such a powerful connection to the undead mean that Mannimarco is somehow connected? Discuss.

Feel free to bring up anyquestion regarding the lore of the The Infernal City, but please keep on topic, and if you have thoughts unrelated to Lore Implications or Lore Hypotheticals, please take it to the http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=983631&st=0&start=0.

Well, here's the ideal situation:

You have the real Mannimarco, the cool one from Daggerfall who is now a god of Unlife instead of the Obliviwuss, trying to raise an undead army using a new flux he discovered that can cirumvent Arkay's rules (namely, killing them and ressurecting them immediately to keep from having Last Rites performed, which protects them). The second point, Mr. Prince. Ideally, he is a lovechild of Uriel, like half the bastards in the Empire, discovers this and needs to not only destroy the evil city but unite all the people of Tamriel under him.

Well, that's the ideal anyway. We really can't know until the book comes out, in fall.

I agree that it's probably Mannimarco, but the prince is probably not related to the Septims -- it would be lame if he were, since "Oblivion" made it plain that the Septim line is played out. My guess is that Keyes' character is the son or grandson of someone strong enough to take Cyrodiil and reconquer the provinces. It wouldn't surprise me if TES V takes place before the novel, and if the game is set during a time of upheaval.

The thing is it says 'aftermath of Oblivion," which makes me think when I thought TESV should be set.

But the thing is, it would be easier and make perfect sense to lories if it was a septim bastard. Like I said, he may have petered out in his advanced age, but Uriel liked to [censored]. a lot. and his queen was a [censored]. So things happened. Often at brothels, or ambadastor's houses, or in the castles of local rulers he was staying with on trips, etc.

No, it has to be a new emperor; either a puppet of the Council or somebody supported by the Legion, or whatever else. Sure, this new guy might claim to be of Septim blood. Who isn't? I would bet every royal family in Tamriel has some Septim blood.

Is it possible Uriel had more bastard children? Of course. Is it possible this will be used again? Yes, but certainly not probable. No writer in their right mind would agree to recycle the plot of Oblivion to that degree. Let Uriel rest in peace; he has earned it.

I couldn't have said it as well. Exactly.

It's a bit disapointing, that the new Emperor will be already choosen. I hoped, the next TES game would play immediately after TES IV. In this case, we could see how it works in Tamriel, to get a new Emperor. But with this books, this mythos won't be so much interesesting. We can assume, that there won't be / was no civil war (and the possibility to one mighty warrior to usurp the throne). There are then only a few candidates remaining... the members of the elder council.

I think we'll need to wait for more information (or the book itself) before knowing the lore implications of the new novel.

It will absolutely trash the lore. It's a novel based on a video game like Oblivion - if it didn't trash the lore, it wouldn't sell. Good thing Oblivion already has sparkling vampires

I gave the ideal earlier, but this is definitely more realistic. However, if it's in 3rd person it won't matter wether it's accurate or not. Since the fun part about TES lore is that everything is subjective from a character's individual perspective in the fictional world. So having a Word of God (as in OOC dev confirmation or 3rd person omnicient book) just kills it absolutely.

Ignoring the issue of the prince, a floating city that kills and resurrects people seems a little... different from most of the lore in the Elder Scrolls. I'll admit, crazier things have happened on Nirn but this just seems off in terms of the things that happen in the Elder Scrolls. Sure, Mannimarco returns and raises the dead with the help of Sload necromancers to wreak his revenge, but a flying city? It just doesn't quite fit in with what I've come to expect from TES.

It won't trash the lore. Bethesda won't let that part of fan hysteria come true.

I simply expect it to ignore the lore and tell a story completely detached from it, while obeying all the rules.

Question: Do we even know Beth's stance on whether the book will be considered canon or not?

Well clearly the prince will be the son of the CoC.

:celebration:

exactly, TES have been more "down to earth" in its lore, and now suddenly we got flying cities coming out from nowhere.

http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1119

that book better be good then. Otherwise, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I'd really like to see how they explain magic flying undeath city.
Maybe Mannimarco the moon has a very city-like appearence?

Maybe the Prince is the first born elysana gave to mannimarco and that creates some type of connection where only he can stop this necromancer floating city.

That'd be interesting, but I wonder if Attrebus will use his banhammer?

Morgiah, not Elysana promised to give Mannimarco her 'first', but it isn't her first born child.

Isn't it a fact that it is not Elysana's first born?

:facepalm: It's not Morgiah's first born, not Elysana's.

I could see it being that possibly someone else grasped power in Tamriel and our prince is the son of that person, I don't think it's specified how long after the events of Oblivion the novel will take place.

It would seem unlikely that our prince would be ANOTHER son of Uriel Septim, given that it was established in Oblivion that all his legitimate heirs were killed, and at the end Martin sacrificed himself, it would seem a little ridiculous for another illegitimate child to be pulled out of Oblivion as the story requires it.

In any case, all we can do now is speculate, I suppose, and I guess that's what we'll do. In any case, I'll decide how well it fits Elder Scrolls lore after reading it, or after reading a more detailed account of its content instead if that's enough for me to reach a verdict.



In a world full of magic, including levitation spells, a flying city doesn't sound like it would be too hard to explain to me, it's not like anyone with any credibility in the Elder Scrolls world ever said it was physically impossible for anything city sized to levitate, and even if someone DID make that statement, since the Elder Scrolls communicates its lore to people through potentially unreliable accounts given by in game characters or books for the most part, it can contradict things previously known in some cases, adding a spell that should be impossible based on previously accepted theories of magic, provided the person who discovered it is said to ave disproved those theories or come up with new ones that make his spell possible, now if a city changes its location on the map or the entire environment of a province changes, that's harder to explain.

Now how the undeath part will be worked into the equation is something I'm not sure about, but undead are nothing strange in the Elder Scrolls either, and if the city somehow raises people it kills as undead, necromancy is probably involved, perhaps it is Mannimarco at work, and perhaps not, we shall see.



Of course, I mean, Oblivion is actually a plane of existence wrapped around Nirn and the stars are all holes in it, magic is quite plentiful, and the series is populated by races of cat people who come in a variety of shapes and sizes, and it's all based on the cycle of the world's two moons, and the series deals with such stories as a reincarnated ancient hero going to defeat his old friend who become a god and uses some form of mystical disease to twist his followers in impossible fashions, and his power comes from the heart of a god. The next game in the series deals with creatures that are totally not demons at all invading the world, which is made possible because of some crazy pact that requires an emperor to wear a mystical amulet in order to keep the demo... I mean Deadra at bay. And of course, magic and mythological creatures are quite plentiful in the world, and let's not forget the elves, orcs and lizard people.

That all sounds pretty down to earth to me.

Twenty shiny gold Septims says this Prince Attrebus is gonna be Tamriel's answer to Drizzt.

A young, idealistic Imperial who disagrees with his people's aggressive, expansionary ways decides to defy his father and not take the throne, in order to pursue his dream of farming turnips. The trouble is that he's called upon to save the world again and again and again because he sells books.

Mark my words.

(also, this whole floating city of undeath seems unnecessary. What, there aren't enough zombies in Tamriel already so you've gotta go and make a floating city to turn people into zombies? Just go into a cave with a paralysis spell and a couple of nets. Or better yet, use a summoning spell to make your own zombies the easy way!)

*prepares to be mightily shouted down*

Perhaps a floating city is the Landfall? Undead aren't known to like the emotion of "love", so it would be a great thing to fight them off with...and a flying city could certainly drive some people underground if its shadow kills what it touches.

(Oh [censored], HERE THEY COME! The lore police are AFTER ME!!) bliviongate:


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