So does anyone know what weapons Vivec's said to have used the most before and after god hood thingy? I don't think I've seen anything inside in game books so does anyone else know?

Muatra, his spear

The sword not held, which is curved.

If you are a guy, look down. If you are a girl, look for a guy with a peculiar bulge below his belt buckle. That's your answer.

...and when Vivec attempted to block a sword swing with that... weapon, what would happen? :rofl:

http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/mwbks_tslov_vivec_ruddy-man.jpg

Again, http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/mwbks_tslov_vivec_city-face.jpg.

It's also mentioned in the swordfight with Cyrus the restless.

Before godhood, folks.

Edit: I'm not the one reading carefully. Just shoot me, already.

Anyway, now you have your full answer.

Before godhood, he was a netchiman's son. A nobody-fisherman, with no martial prowess.

We don't necessarily know that he had NO martial prowess. It's freaking Morrowind...even the herd animals are vicious beasts. Most people on Morrowind have at least swung a weapon a time or two as part of growing up. We can put forth an educated guess that Vivec had used a sword before ever becoming a god.

Ok the references to male reproductive organs are completely uncalled for guys.... I'm asking about swords, maces, bows, axes, spears, & dagger's etc I haven't exactly read every reference to Vivec... I'm wondering if there was anything somewhere that wasn't included directly in Morrowind books, maybe Daggerfal or something... Looking for something specific like a enchanted sword or what ever that he named or something.. Also I remember a reference to being a rogue or assassin as Nerevar's adviser.

Tell me, what do you think it means when Molag Bal and Vivec take out their spears, compare them, and that there was much biting of said spears?

We're also dealing with the same group that censored The Real Barenziah. I personally take it literally, despite the natural human instinct to feel otherwise. Although I must say, it seems to have been written to quickly invoke such a view, that it's just thinly veiled smut. Kind of like those Turtle Club riddles.

I'm not asking about that damn sermon your referencing or [censored]'s the weapons he used as one of nervar's council... he was mentioned to be a damn rogue/assasin, he didnt' wip out his man hood to do that job he used killing blades etc how about you people act mature already or are you completely incapable of that?....

Welcome to Morrowind. The mature thing to do would be to accept the answer rather then insulting the people who give it. It's not as if you can't use his spear. He's depicted with it in a few places even. As a sweet talking rouge it's the perfect weapon.

I love this kind of threads.

Spear, obviously. Who doesn't love spears?

Yes... his umm... "spear".

There is so much lore and myth surrounding Vivec by the time the Nerevarine arrives in Vvardenfell that it's nearly impossible to differentiate fact from fiction. And in the case the TES in general, sometimes the myths and lore end up being true.

How else would you explain an asteroid hanging above Vivec?

Read "Sword Meeting", and you'll get a good idea how Vivec can fight.

And if you really want something to compare Vivec to, read Hindu theosophical writings. I've noticed that a lot about the Dunmer and Morrowind seem very Indian/Indo-Aryan in general. Vivec is an Indian name in actuality.

But to answer your question, the waters flowing forth from the Heart of Lorkhan didn't imbibe him with any god-like power, only immortality. It was his own ego that created the god you see in the Sermons. In terms of his fighting styles, I'd expect them to mirror swordsmen of Hammerfell. Before he became immortal I doubt he'd fight any different than the elite swordsmen of the Chimer, and he probably would have been adequate with a spear as well, fighting in chitin armor and netch leather. After becoming immortal, I suppose he would have traveled Tamriel searching for the best and oldest forms of combat. This is where Hammerfell comes in, as the Redguards are probably the greatest swordsmen in Tamriel. Also, he definitely would have visited Akavir and learned from the Tsaesci.

Vivec was of course, a warrior-poet, probably comparable to Ulysses mixed with the Buddha, and I have no doubt he could fight telekineticly. Again read "Sword Meeting", but take it with a grain of salt, as that book describes a sword style that could end all existence... gotta love Redguard mythology.

Short answer though is sword. His spear is just a phallic symbol, and in many cases the "sword" is simply a symbol for power and enlightenment.

I'm not insulting people that said spear... I'm insulting the ones who are making references to genitals.... which don't have a darn thing to do with what I was asking about....

We are referring to the same people.

This is besides the point but I wasn't even insulting anyone I was asking for mature responses to the weapon question not what seemed to be mocking remarks that the topic was receiving, the censor mark was because I directly named the male genitals in wasn't a curse word.

Sorry but I don't consider references to genitals a valid response... this the lore section not the lewd joke center last I knew. Maybe I shouldn't even bother next time...

Added a bit later: To Don't forget this, Hairdo Galosh Jam, XxChaplainxX, and also Dumbkid's second response thanks that was helpful.

Jeeze louise, someone's uncomfortable with mythological, anatomical, and psychoanolytical basics. The spear is a very classic phallic symbol, also used to suggest domination and male fertility, all very fitting to Vivec. sixuality is nothing new in the Elder Scrolls mythos, and is older than dirt in real life cultures (Zeus slept with anything with a hole between its legs, the Egyptians believed the world was created when a god mastvrbated, etc.). Pretending that Molag Bal, the King of [six without consent], used Vivec's body gently with his literal spear is just willfully ignoring the whole sermon. Is it smut? Yep. Does that make it wrong? Nope.

From Sermon 14:


Translated: "Hey Bal, you're going to [six without my consent] me anyways, so how about some foreplay and a party?"


Pomegranates are a classic symbol of loosing ones virginity (see: Persephone).


They got married, "loved each other briefly," and had tons of kids. Yep, godly gay six.


You can bet he didn't just read stories.


His love(-making organ) is shaped like a spear. He used Vivec's body. Roughly. He is the King of [six without consent]. Can't get anymore obvious than that (unless you want "and then Molag Bal shoved his throbbing-" [this passage has been sensored for your sanity"])


V and Bal took out their spears, that is their love(-making organs) and compared them. Vivec bit Bal's 'spear'. It became forbidden, but people still do it. Do people go around biting pieces of wood tipped with metal, or is this an extremely transparent metaphor?


Apparently, biting weapons causes them to expel liquid. hm...


So Vivec bit parts off from Bal's 'spear' (not quoted) and made his spear more terrible. He named it Muatra, cause guys apparently do that sort of thing.

Notice also Sermon 9:


And then we get to the Trial of Vivec:


[edit]Gah, the 4 letter word that starts with R and ends with Ape is censored :/

[edit2]So, basically, Muatra is both Vivec's dike and his spear, and he uses it as a weapon (sometimes unconventionally: see Barfok and Azura) on several occasions.

He doesn't have a problem with the symbolism, it just doesn't answer his question. He wasn't asking about what Vivec's spear represents, he was asking what actual weapon Vivec literally uses.

(The answer, again, is a sword.)

Sir, I ask you, were you lying when you said you were insulting us or were you lying when you said you weren't insulting anyone?

Let me give you a serious answer:
He has been depicted using both spear and sword. In Vivec City there are two statues of him. Atleast in one of them (the one with the beetle) is he using a spear.
But I would guess that his main weapon is actually his pure divine powers of awesomness AKA magic.

And I've put forth an educated guess, respecting his character and origins, that he had no martial prowess, until becoming Master of Morrowind. I liked that answer more, so that's the one I gave.

Vehk was a serial rapist and a god(jhow more awesome can one get?). As Lady Nerevar showed, Molag Bal and Vivec were probably not spending all of the days laying around biting metal spearheads at the end of wooden sticks. There'd be no reason for it.