Did Lorkhan ever have any particular interaction with the Daedra Lords/Aedra? I know the Daedra Lords are the ones who did not sacrifice themselves/give of themselves when Mundus was created, and that the Aedra are those who did the opposite, but was Lorkhan "friends" with any of the Daedra/Aedra? I know they held a council in the adamantine tower (where Magnus decided to leave), but apart from that?

Or is all this subjective knowledge?

My knowledge on the matter is hardly sufficient, but prior to creation, there was no difference between Aedra and Daedra, and thusly all could be seen as one big (un)happy family. Whether he had any particularly close relations is never said, only that those who became the Aedra were swayed by his words, and one can assume liked him until they realized what was actually happening. I have heard bits about Akatosh and Lorkhan being intertwined somehow, but as I've only just started to digest the forum's lore archive, I really don't know much about that (though I am quite curious about it?). Still, that's about as close as we get.

Also, the council of Ada-mantia took place after creation, so by that point, Lorkhan wasn't terribly high up on anyone's friend list, especially not the Aedra's. As for the Daedra, considering they scoffed at Lorkhan's suggestions of creation from the very beginning, I'd assume they weren't terribly keen on him either. The only people who actually seem to still like Lorkhan (in the form of Shezarr or Shor) are the various breeds of man, and even then, most seem to have forgotten him.

Yes, I had gathered as much. But what I really want to know is what happened when they were "one big (un)happy family". Will we have to repeat the whole stupid "no-limits-everything-happens-at-once-thus-nothing-happens" from the CHIM thread here?

It's possible some Aedra willingly did it, knowing full well what it entailed; why are Jhunal, Kyne, and Stuhn considered gods favoring the Nords (those favored by Shor)?

On that, I am as curious as you are. Still, I'm not aware of any information on the et'Ada during that period, at least anything of great detail, so I have little recourse but to hope either for one of the more knowledgeable members to arise or for more light to be shed in the next game (though at the same time, I say as much with mixed feelings as to the latter. Passion and curiosity arise from uncertainty. Truth and certainty, though pleasurable for a time, leave little once achieved unless there is more uncertainty to which the revealed truth can be applied.)

As for it all being outside of time, it still seems to be that there is a sequence, even if it is not held into a clear position by the linear time (non-linear time is still time, after all). Basically, at its core, time is merely a sequence of events. How the events are perceived describes the nature of time (its dimension). One after the other is of the first dimension and linear, as we know it, and certainly still sequential. Reducing one dimensional time to zero dimensional time would mean that all occurs seemingly at the same point, yet there is still a sequence?a simultaneous sequence, akin to a single frozen picture that captures multiple moments. You've merely reduced the sequence of the line to the sequence of a moment, but it remains a sequence. Consider a book?it exists all at once, meaning all the events are happening simultaneously and in the same moment, yet its contents are still a series of sequential events, each following and needing its prior to function and exist. It is seemingly nonsensical unless moved to a first dimension narrative, but even so, it still is.

All that needless rambling was basically just to say that, whatever time may have been, the sequence remains. Otherwise, the Aedra would not have been tricked unwillingly, making it all a bit odd as it would turn the whole of the Elder Scrolls series into little more than a grand play, with each player doing his part as it is assigned like puppets on the stage (though that would raise the questions of who was pulling all the strings...). Of course, I could have been completely off the mark there as I never went through the Chim thread and so was just going on your line about time (really, a thread that can accumulate eight pages in a day scares me. Honestly, this place seems terribly active? makes me wish I wasn't of such a slow pace.)

I don't really think the other Aedra bore Lorkhan must malice after the fact. Certainly not the Earthbones. Akatosh just hates his (own) guts.

I wonder how the creation myths came to have common threads. Maybe the Aedra and/or Daedra told mortals long ago something of what happened; or maybe mortals have vague memories of their time as Et'Ada.

He does?

Oh, and welcome to the forums, Kitamelari! :celebrate: Welcome to TES Lore! We won't bite...

They all witnessed it, they were there. That's why they worship their ancestors.

The similarities are how we know that it's all true.

So... all the souls that become mortals... witnessed it... is this like genetic memory, except for souls? :confused:

If that was the case, then it'd be established that there was once a great flood in early human history.

THIS.
IS.
NOT.
EARTH.

I think the idea is that the original et'Ada who became mortals witnessed it all, preserved it, and passed it on. As people shifted around, cultures evolved, and people adapted to their various situations, so too did the history (for example, the Khajiit making the Aedra more relatable by describing them as cats). The core of the story, the aforementioned similarities, are what we can be reasonably certain to be true. The rest are just cultural additions (entertaining as the notion is, I don't think the gods are actually giant kittens as the Khajiiti would have us believe, though the image of Akatosh as a ceiling-cat-dragon popping out of Oblivion amuses me.)




Hehe, thanks! I'm trying to wedge my way in here. It's been an interesting trip so far, and hopefully I'll get used to the new pace of things.

Just making sure this is being read...

Does it really make a difference?

Yeah, like that. And I'm rather hesitant to say it, but certain mortal races may have been present in the Dawn Era.

Mostly these racial memories take the form of stories, but the mer have something of a joint consciousness in their ideal of Almemris, although it is a simple legend as well.

on nirn the soul is a fact of life, its there, you can pass laws on using it for necromancy, you can summon it. On earth its a matter of faith. Not provable, incapabe of being interacted with, untestable.

The simple existence of a soul does not make myths right or wrong.

Myths are true. If you do not accept this, then you know nothing, because there is nothing you can know.

But some myths contradict each other. And nobody believes that myth about Almsivi achieving godhood through good deeds.

Yeah...because in a world of myth and magic...myths and magic are real....

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You know the difference between myths and tall tales, right? You won't find it in Websters. Real myths have mythopeia and are laws of nature.

If that is the case, then how do we know what are myths and what are tall tales besides looking at nature?

If you don't know that, then you need to tell me how you discerned half of the info you know about TES.

That sounds like a pretty good method. There are stories, and then there are the stories the world was built on. As above, so below. Anu and Padomay mimicked by Akatosh and Lorkhan mimicked by Cyrus and Haakan.