Thanks for all the replies, its helped me understand what Manky meant, and that all he was saying is actually garbage. B)

I was under the impression that he was the god of gods in the Elderscrolls Universe. I mean, that his mere body could grant godly power, just by basking in it's energies, says something about his power. Maybe I've just never seen a Daedric Prince's true power, but I think he' immensely more powerful than them. Also, wasn't he the creator of EVERYTHING in one creation story? Seems to me that he's got a bit of a Chronus thing going on.

Everything in the mortal plane, and he had help too.

As for Vivec, any rumor about where he is is just that, a rumor. Nobody can say definitively where he is, although being captured by daedra is probably the best bet.

We have a non-citizen president, remember?

Anyway, they just said he is missing, nothing about the city being attacked IIRC. And it's the middle of a Daedric invasion and no one has seen him in years. zomg it was those demons.

Still, the rumor is there. Nobody says he had to be captured during the invasion either. That, and his own wish to retire to Aetherius are the only real leads.

Regardless its all just rumors and pointless to argue over in any case.

He's gone, and that's all that really matters. Same with the Nerevarine

Yes but he's clearly known to be in Akavir, or he was known to be in Akavir at any rate.

;)

What I always found amusing about that ranting and raving (and what registered it to me as pretty much probably false right off the bat) was that he specifies that it's Tamriel that's the plane of Oblivion. If Tamriel is a plane of Oblivion, then what the hell is Akavir, Yokuda, Atmora and everywhere else that isn't Tamriel supposed to be? This is like saying that North America is a plane of Hell that's been gussied up. Then what about Europe, South America, Asia, Australia, Africa and Antarctica? (Note: I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Cleaveland's a circle of Hell. Despite the fact that it's not Detroit.)

Also, the idea that Lorkhan was overthrown or something and that the only way to bring Nirn back to its perfect state is by destroying everything and that it's the Prince of Destruction's birthright to do so and that no, no, of course the chosen won't get slaughtered like everyone else is an awfully convenient one for Mehrunes Dagon. Too convenient. Who cares if he's telling the truth to some gullible mortal, so long as it gets him where he needs to be to do what he does best?

The definition of Aedra and Daedra depends entirely on their relationship to Nirn. Before its creation, the distinctions were meaningless. And as of now, the distinction remains mostly meaningless for Lorkhan. So at the end of the day, Lorkhan is Lorkhan, and when you ignore the whole "He's a Daedra!" bit, it all seems pretty much like an unhinged version of the Monomyth, as told by the lovechild of Mehrunes Dagon and that guy who thinks that shapeshifting reptilian aliens at the center of the Earth control all world affairs.

Oh, and I shall always maintain that the Nerevarine is where ever the hell you want the Nerevarine to be. And that everything you hear is false. Especially the rumors that people saw a mudcrab once. No one has ever seen a mudcrab. EVER.

That doesn't prove they kidnapped him.

So one guy in Cyrodiil started telling people that Vivec City was attacked by Daedra just for [censored] and giggles?

...That doesn't prove they kidnapped him.

Well... the Nerevarine kind of left the door to his chamber wide open on his day trip to Red Mountain... However, Vivec should be able to take care of himself... But now he doesn't have the heart of Lorkhan to derive his power... I say he went walkabout again.

My thoughts exactly.

The Nerevarine didn't tap the heart, and he/she was basically an almost omnipotent being when all things were said and done. Vivec can take care of himself. He's probably just somewhere in Aetherius, smoking cigars with Julianos while discussing ethics, and using Muatra to combat Dibella.

As for Lorkhan: I've looked at him in a couple ways. I think he is something akin to Magnus the Sun. However, I also see him as the one being that was able to understand the Godhead and CHIM, and attemped the creation of Nirn to achieve that all-powerful state. Then his buddies betrayed him because they didn't want him more powerful than they.

The Divines hate the Godhead because it stinks of something greater than themselves. It stands to reason they would destroy something that aspires to achieve CHIM and "become one" with the Godhead.

Ahem.


From http://chalice.planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/bar/bar.shtml, titled "Since it was pulled from my main site..." and after that read the post above, "By the way...".

That is no way legitimate.

That just sounds way too much like bad fanfiction to be the actual plot of the next game.

But I guess it would be the next logical step in the dumbing down of Elder Scrolls lore.

"god of the underworld"?

"Assembly of Order?"

Great...so the fellowship of the ring is going to assault mordor again. Except this time with ONLINE PLAY AND PHAT LEWT. *readies the suicide pistol*

that article mentions tes IV, not V, which suggests it was written before oblivion's release. also, sense the time stamps don't have years....

its a good april fools joke lol

Do what she says folks.



Only now Bethesda registered Skyrim and there is a Zenimax Online thing going on. Food for thought.

I hope not but knowing bethesda it wouldn't surprise me.

They could just as well and hopefully is making a spin-off like Redguard which will be Online.

if they do it would be the end of the elder scrolls specially sinse another company would make it instead. Then again bestesesda has said they wouldn't do things they have done. battlethorn castle plug-in and also releaseing daggerfall for free. we shall see. if they do it will probably be the last elder scrolls because they would milk it expansion packs and all...so just throwing it in the mmo catogory.

It doesn't mean the end for it... think Redguard, it wasn't the end of the Elder Scrolls series.

But of course I'm not looking forward to it at the moment.