His goal was to have everyone reach CHIM, not just himself...If anything the new Lorkhan makes up a new goal set but the original failed. The New Lorkhan hasn't even come into existence yet.

I'm very familiar with their goals but "The Thalmor are going to win" is a very nebulous claim, and I'm not convinced that it means an entire concession that Mundus will be unraveled in its entirety. Wacky subversion's of expectations happen all the time yo.

No, it pretty much means the Thalmor achieve their goals >.> in fact the unmaking of Mundus is probably needed in order for landfall to happen, landfall being more proof this kalpa ends.

How exactly does Landfall happen without a Mundus?

Landfall is the END of the Kalpa, the Thalmor clearly end the Kalpa by destroying the center, Mundus. Notice how everything revolves around Nirn and Mundus, it's because both are the center and when the center falls everything falls.

Nope, you're making stuff up again. Landfall is when Numidium comes back. Presumably this is brought about by/through the Thalmor. Probably inadvertently.

Edit: Mundus goes to the 8th era too. So there goes the idea that the kalpa wasn't delayed.

Alright, I was wrong about landfall, still the Thalmor's goals is unmaking Mundus and according to MK they win, it's not just achieving divinity like what Auriel did it's the absolute unmaking of Mundus. Their goal isn't to vanish like the Dwemer, it isn't to unmake themselves it is again, to unmake Mundus. Not everything MK says has some double meaning, it's straight forward.

THEY
WIN

9th if you count KIMUNE

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we have anything stating how long Kalpas are.

It comes down to your belief that Alduin wouldn't eat the world if the LDB didn't stop him. I think he would have. So basically, you have the Thalmor trying to unmake things up into the 9th era oorrr maybe, just maybe, they don't unmake everything and we're not sure what MK meant regarding them "winning."

Alduin in this kalpa seemed more obsessed with ruling then eating, hence the many theories that Alduin's true goal was to become the new akatosh and create a empire on Tamriel.

MK said it's helpful to understand the Dawn Era as the end of the last Kalpa. If Mundus keeps straight on counting eras, without a regress into non-linear time and a new "War of Manifest Metaphors", then this pretty much does mean no new kalpa has started.

Maybe this is so, but the Nords believe Alduin is the World-Eater, and he will eat the world.

I though it was pretty obvious by now that there won't be any more kalpas. The making of Akatosh, the creation of Numidium, the rise of Talos, the death of Alduin, C0DA (I mean oh my god it's in the [redacted] name).

The Thalmor might be capable of unmaking the Mundus, but by then others will already have found ways to preserve it in one form or another. TES will continue where it cut off, just like how Anu integrated elements from its old world into his Dream. See the Numidium, the Nu-Man(tia), Exact Egg-Cracking, Eight Aedra Eat the Dreamer, the Clockwork City.

TES will of course continue, that is not even a question. That is an out-of-universe, RL thing. The question is what happens in-universe... or more precisely, to the in-universe Aurbis and Mundus we know? Anu integrated elements from the Godhead's dream into his own, but I would interpret that as "dreaming of a dream" - Anu did not literally steal those elements from the Godhead's dream into his own; he simply dreamt of those elements because he had experienced them, just as we dream of the stuff we experience.

Therefore, it is rather irrelevant what happens in other Dreams that might come to pass. Those might include dreaming of our dream, but they will not be our dream - it will not be our Mundus or our Aurbis.

Exactly. Let's go over the ways this Kalpa is probably and currently the last (at least, mine):

• Aka Fragmented- Alkosh, Alduin, Auri-El, Peryite (my own personal theory), Jyggalag (ditto with Peryite), and later on Akatosh.
• Lorkhan "Died"
• Nirn "Impregnated" With Lorkhan's Heart
• PELINAL Came From The Future
• Dwemer Built NUMIDIUM
• ORICHAL Literally Destroyed On Yokuda
• The Tribunal Used The Heart To Attain Divinity
• Dagoth Ur...Just Ur
• The Marukhati Selectives Created Akatosh From The Fusion Of The Spheres Of The Aka-Fragments and Shezzar Ideals
• Zurin, Wulfharth, and Tiber Septim Become "Three-In-One" And Are Made Into TALOS (Although He Doesn't "Exist" Until After The Warp In The West)
• The Warp In The West (Especially The Mantella; The Underking Dies And His Soul Completes TALOS)
• Th Nerevarine Does...Something To The Heart of Lorkhan
• RED-TOWER Deactivates
• CRYSTAL-LIKE-LAW and WHITE-GOLD Deactivated During The Oblivon Crisis
• SNOW-THROAT Deactivated...Sometime
• Alduin Gets "Killed" By The LDB
• NUMIDIUM Comes Back
• C0DA

And that's just a few. I'll be back to add more later.

I see the new Amaranth as being Padomay's final blow to Anu. From Sithis to Lorkhan to mortals to CHIM to the new Amaranth that will steal Anu's dream. The Thalmor (Anu's last hole card) may unmake Mundus but the new amaranth will steal the dream from Anu.

I don't think literal "dream stealing" exists. Amaranth is making a whole new dream yourself; manipulating an existing dream is what happens on the level of CHIM.

I shall direct you to the loveletter:


Now why would Lorkhan go ahead and usurp the dream of someone who loves him so much? More so, why would Padomay devise some evil plot to hurt himself? I just don't see it.

Anu and Padomay have been fighting each other since they meet or before the death of Nir. I understand that Padomay is thought of as a duality of Anu.

A CHIM can manipulate the dream, but knows it is everything while keeping its old self at the same time. Paydomay is the opposite of Anu. Anu is the Amranth, are you saying that Paydomay does not want to be the Dreamer? I remember reading that the amaranth steals the dream, and remembers the toys he once loved.

Anu "steals concepts" from the Godhead's dream. I think by that it is meant the he dreams of the things he experienced in the Godhead's dream, just as you dream about what you experienced before going to sleep. Anu's dream took the twelve worlds of the Godhead's dream and rearranged them as Nirn; but it is entirely possible that outside of Anu's dream the Godhead's dream is still ongoing and still has the Twelve Worlds. As such, I would also distinguish between Anu-the-Dreamer and Anu-within-the-dream. The one is the Dreamer, which is everything. The other exists within the dream and is the opposite of this dream's Padomay.

Precisely. I like to think of the In-Dream ones as Anui-El and Padhome and the originals as Anu and Padomay.

Padomay is not just thought of as a duality of Anu. He is the other half of Anu's schizophrenic mind. Anu and Padomay are both the dreamer because they're the same person. Also, think of "The Dream" just as you would "A Dream". You can't go around taking people's dreams can you? No it doesn't work like that. However, you CAN have your own. Hope that helps.

I was under the impression the 5th era was the last one.

Which is why KINMUNE confuses me. She's from the 9th?

Anu used parts of a dream in his own dream? Anu is Amaranth?

o.O Amaranth is dream becoming dreamer, no?

My head hurts now.

And this is why I <3 TES.

Lorkhan doesn't "win" untill everyone has reached CHIM or Amaranth.