Well, I'm an apprentice lore buff (if anything...) so I'm not all sure about most of the lore, however, I've read a bit about Lorkhan and some of the other Et'Ada, etc.

Anyway, I just have this feeling that Lorkhan might play some sort of part in a coming game. Not necessarily Skyrim, but a future game. I feel like, for some reason, he's going to play some sort of a role. And yes, I'm aware that Lorkhan is "dead", but can a God -truly- ever die?

As we know, Lorkhan convinced the other Et'Ada to create Mundus and by doing so upsetted the status quo. He was then "killed".

Then, in Oblivion Mankar Camoran goes on about how Lorkhan was a Daedric Prince who's realm was Mundus, or something along those lines. Of course this has been written off as just a biased statement by Camoran, perhaps the devs were trying to make us think about Lorkhan some more. Foreshadowing, if you will.

Honestly, I don't even know what role I think he'll play, I just have a feeling he's going to show up. Any thoughts? Ideas?

Yeah I think he'll make a comeback but really, all this thread is going to turn into is a debate about lore. No one really knows everything about Lorkhan or Mundus because it hasn't been explained fully.

Honestly, lore has never mattered much in the elder scrolls universe. There's virtually no information on most of the provinces. In an interview Todd admitted they picked Elder Scrolls for no reason other than it sounded fantasy-like. We didn't even know what an elder scroll till one made a minor cameo role in the FOURTH game.

Are they even any TES books sans infernal city?

Lorkhan is Shor in the Nord's religion.

If I recall correctly, Shor/Lorkhan's ghost is still running around. At one point he tried to get his heart back, but the Dwemer trapped him under Red Mountain.

Of course Lorkhan is going to be in Skyrim. He's under the name "Dohvakiin" though.

If we were taking bets, I'd throw my lot in on this^

http://www.imperial-library.info/.

i didn't think it was possible to be this ignorant.

He DEFINITELY will play a role. He's one of the most central themes of TES, and considering his relationship to Alduin this game will surely involve him more directly than any other.
(By the way, the attitudes expressed above, "we can't know" and "it doesn't matter" are ridiculous. The lore is one of the defining features of this series and indisputably a huge part of what makes it great. It matters a lot, and it is VERY fleshed out.)

No kidding; it's downright deplorable.
It's one thing if someone just doesn't have an interest in the subject, but to deride it so dismissively through ignorance? gah.

I'm pretty sure the sentiment "we can't know" is right on the money.

You are actually VERY mistaken.

The most ilogical of all is the first sentence. It basically says "the elder scrolls universe never mattered in the elder scrolls universe".

And we know what the Elder Scrolls are, and what they do. The fact they did not have it planned out since the FIRST GAME and just chose a random fantasy sounding game makes NO difference. That happens with EVERY story. And if you knew even a bit of history, you'd know Arena doesnt contain much in way of backstory. What we know as "lore" has been in serious development since Daggerfall, not Arena.


ANYWAY...on topic....I made a thread about this, speculating on some stuff about the nature of Lorkhan, Talos, and how the prophecy doesnt make much sense unless we add them both to it. Also considering that in Solitude, I think, there's a Lorkhan cult. (so definitely there probably be people in the game who believe in the Arcturian Heresy, and will definitely make the connection between Lorkhan and the game's events) http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1162321-the-prophecy/page__p__17068288__fromsearch__1#entry17068288

We can know. I dare say we do know, for this specific question. Will Lorkhan play some role in Skyrim? Absolutely.

No one can deny that there is a problem with the Lore of the Nirn. Too much metaphysics, not enough reality. It's still cool though, even if we're constantly bombarded with lies and double-speak.

And thus the debate begins.


That is clearly an assumption since it has not been confirmed or even hinted at. You shouldn't pass your opinions off as facts. :confused:

This is against my better judgment, but I'm going to at least try to educate you here.

1. Have you read ANY of the in-game books? The whole series is rich with storyline (except for maybe arena since it didn't feature any books) if you actually look for it.

2. It's true that they basically picked "The Elder Scrolls" as the series name just because it sounded cool, but that was back in Arena. Arena wasn't even planned as an open world RPG originally. Until about halfway through development it was planned to be a gladiator style game (and the title just stuck even though an arena is about the only thing you DON'T find in that game).

3. The Elder Scrolls themselves and their contents are mentioned in Morrowind and I think Daggerfall as well, maybe Arena but I'm not 100% sure.

Please educate yourself before making statements like that.

"Too much metaphysics?" Gasp! Impossible. Metaphysics define and explain reality.

I think there's a perfect balance of the two. The nature of Mundus and its creation are very deeply explained, much more so than our own universe, and it could be discussed for hours. However, not a lot of people know that. Perfect example being the guy earlier who said it didn't matter. You can easily play through the games and enjoy them without taking much notice of the forces that drive the stories and the nature of the universe. But it's there. It's very rewarding to learn about it. I always feel like it enhances my experience when I go back to play the games.


Yeah, but see, everything in the lore points to Lorkhan being involved. If he is not involved, then either they found some CRAAAAZY way to not include him, or they just aren't making an Elder Scrolls game. It doesn't have to be confirmed. It's like saying "we don't know if there will be Nords" when all we knew was the next game was called Skyrim. Of course there will be Nords. Of course there will be Lorkhan. It's not an opinion. It's practically a scientific theory.

That's not a problem, the ambiguity and gray mystery is one of the greatest strengths of the lore!

And yes, we certainly can know something of the role Lorkhan will play in the game.
The conflict between him and Alduin is the entire heart of the story. While we of course can't say how this will be made evident in the game, we can assert with all certainty that he WILL be important.
Skyrim without Lorkhan would be "Romeo and Juliet" without Romeo.

OP, I strongly recommend making this thread in the Lore forum; I don't think you'll get the discussion you're after from this one.


Danger Dan, there's simply no debate to be had, except that of sheer ignorance against clear knowledge.

We don't know for sure. But when placed against a divine entity like Alduin, I have the feeling that he can't be stopped without some sort of divine intervention. And I damn well don't want to be the protagonist's sidekick again, getting to watch from the sidelines as Alduin's throat gets ripped out by Shor. I'm up for the idea that you are the Shezarrine, and at the end you gain divine powers. I'd really like an Umaril-esque fight to the death in the clouds, with Alduin in some sort of humanoid form and you just look superpowered.

This.

You're honestly saying that we can't know whether or not the entity that constitutes one half of the conflict that makes up the entire world and story of the Elder Scrolls will be present?

No biggie, I've read parts of the ES lore, and I can tell you he isn't missing out on much.

In what form exactly are you people suggesting? Of course he will be present if you really want to get down into lore by counting the moons and such. Whether he will play a significant role or not cannot be known. But I suppose it's a matter of what you think is significant. :facepalm:

To me, being mentioned once or twice in the story (ie Oblivion) is not significant.

I already knew about the Imperial library. Also, many of the in-game books didn't touch much up on lore, and those that did were still 4 pages with massive font size.
Really, compare it to just about any other fictional universe, and the Elder Scrolls comes up short. The UESP wiki isn't all that big, and the articles are never very long.
Hell, Team Fortress 2 has about as much lore. Exxageration, but not a huge one.

This is absolutely absurd. TES has some of the most extensively detailed lore of any game in existence.

And it's UNDENIABLE that Lorkhan will play a significant role. His conflict with Alduin is literally the entirety of this story; to have a significant story involving Alduin eating the world, Lorkhan HAS to be incorporated.

From what I understand Lorkhan tricked the gods into creating Mundus, and while some of the gods escaped before being trapped, (via ripping holes in the sky and running like hell), some of them got trapped ova there. (Some of them become "earth bones"? :grad: )

So, the Aedra were trapped and Lorkhan was like "trololololololol you guys are stuck here! :frog: " so they kicked the crap out of him, ripped him apart, and Omnomnomnom'd on him? (Yes, I made the omnomnom part up. It's better then the actual lore, imo. :shrug: )

Damn. That's harsh. If I have the story straight, I'd imagine the Aedra would still be pissed at him, if he shows up in Skyrim... :bolt: