I wonder if Bethesda has considered settling the confusion around Lorkhan's fate once and for all?

Some say he is dead...

But then his heart is alive. His heart even created Demigods.

Then is heart disappeared...

He is called the missing god

Honestly if Elder Scrolls VI is devoted to resolving or bringing some clarity to Lorkan it would be awesome.

There are too many loose ends around such a central figure to Nirn that it deserves more than just written lore to explore

Hope not. If anything I see his fate becoming more mysterious.

What is a Lorkhan? I have only played morrowind and obliv so.......

You remember that pretty knife and hammer you had to use to break that gigantic heart so that you could kill the main bad guy in Morrowind?

Yeah, that was LORKHAN'S HEART!

He's a mysterious deity from the creation myths of Tameriel.

Well, the plot is supposed to be about Alduin's destruction of the world, which is in turn the beginning of the next world. So odds are, Lorkhan is going to be involved somehow.

Whiterun is also run by a religious order/coven of witches that worship Lorkhan, I'm pretty sure.



Lorkhan is a god, also called Shor or Shezarr. He's Akatosh's counterpart - where Akatosh is the most Anuic spirit, Lorkhan is the most Padomaic. The rivalry between the two is repeated in microcosm throughout Tamriel's history. Like Lord of Redwall said, there's plenty of conflicting information about Lorkhan, but the one thing we know for sure is that he's the one who convinced the Aedra to create the world, and that they were very upset with him when they encountered concepts like "mortality." Upset enough, in fact, to kill him, tear out his heart, and leave his body hanging in the sky to become the new moons.

Lorkhan is essentially the primary "evil" god in elven myths, while in early human myths he's usually the chief "good" god. Despite being dead, it's generally accepted that Lorkhan has sent multiple avatars to Tamriel, known as the Shezarrines. The Shezarrines are typically champions of humanity against the elves, such as Pelinal Whitestrake. It's suspected that Tiber Septim was another Shezarrine, allowing Lorkhan to sneak back into the Imperial pantheon.

Lorkhan/Shezzar/Shor is the god responsible for getting the Aedra to sign onto creating the mortal world. When the gods realized that Lorkhan gave them a bad deal, they cut out his heart. His heart was thrown into what became red mountain and his body became the moons, Masser and Secunda.

That's exactly what I've been thinking and that's pretty exciting! Lorkhan is one of my favorites thing in all of TES lore.

I think I'd like to see a solution to the mystery surrounding Lorkhan, in all honesty, at least to a certain extent (seeing as there are mysteries around all of the gods, I wouldn't want him to have less than the rest)

Though I can't really say for sure what would happen if Lorkhan got his Heart back and was in touch with Mundus again.

Same here! :mellow:

Anyway I always imagined that at the end of Skyrim, and whoever the narrator is (Azura=Morrowind, Martin=Oblivion; Likely Esbern IMO), The screen would fade away to a blank screen and the last line they say is something like "His hunger. Their blood. Your fame. Distractions. Alduin never came alone." And a http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/images/Africa/Egypt/Nubia_Painting01_full.jpg would start showing. As the camera pans right, the painting shows a certain prophecy, and it shows Redguards being wounded and killed, while others are fleeing while holding children and belongings. Buildings in the background are on fire and destroyed, then as the camera get to pan more to the right, there seems to be people praying to something. Then it shows a disturbing figure looking down at the people, while about to jab with a huge spear at them. Then behind the figure is the Daedric letters http://images.uesp.net//8/82/DAEDRIC_S.PNG http://images.uesp.net//1/1e/DAEDRIC_E.PNG http://images.uesp.net//3/31/DAEDRIC_P.PNG. You do the deciphering :laugh: Oh and I always imagined http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQghQuzatg playing through the whole thing, while at 28 seconds is when the figure shows on the screen. Idk why, but it seems my passion for ES lore got out of hand so to put my two cents in: Yes it would be coo to see him in Skyrim somehow, maybe him sending a Shezzarine even

Thats like a spoiler for real life, lol.

Lorkhan is very dead. His heart was ripped out and cast onto Nirn where the impact created Red Mountain. The nerevarine destroyed the heart and you can see Lorkhan's dead body floating in the skies of Nirn at night (the moons Masser and Secunda). Lorkhan was killed for his "treachery". Some people believe that Lorkhan was reborn in Talos through the dreamsleeve, which would make since why he could ascend as one of the nine divines.

Frankly I don't believe Alduin is Akatosh at all mainly because Akatosh is the first Anuic spirit and Anu is the force of Stasis or a constant state, thus why would the chief spirit of Consistency want to change the world? He wouldn't that's what. Lorkhan was the first padomaic spirit and Padomay is the force of Change, thus padomaic spirits always strive for change, thus is why Lorkhan convinced the other Aedra to create Nirn. Also, the Daedric Princes are padomaic spirits and look at what they do.

Holy crap, I thought I was half-assing it a bit but it actually fits the lore of Skyrim and the story a little bit! Look up Sep on UESP and read it then click on the name Satakal. Maybe I am a prophet lol

Lorkhan isn't exactly dead-dead. How does one exactly go about killing a god? And what is a Heart to a god? They merely ripped out his heart to severe his ties to the Mundus. Plus, given that this is not the first time that all of this happened...

I guess you could say he's "dead to the world" but not really dead-dead.

Also, the Nerevarine also did not exactly "destroy" the Heart. He/she attacked it and caused it to retreat and withdraw its previous influence (ie. the godhood of the Tribunal and House Dagoth.) The Heart still exists somehow, maybe somewhere. We don't really know.

Technically no one is "dead-dead" because they move into the dreamsleeve and are reborn, even lowly mortals. The reason why the other Aedra killed him is because they all lost their immortality when they created Nirn. Thus the Nine divines are all able to be killed while spirits like the Daedric Princes, who didn't help build Nirn, are still immortal and cannot die. If he wasn't dead he would do what true gods due and reform themselves and they would recover yet Lorkhan's body still rots as it floats through Oblivion above Nirn.

I would just like to know whether he's actually aedra or daedra. He's the bastard child of the gods

The Daedric Princes are the gods who did not take part in the creation of Mundus. Lorkhan was the one whose idea it was to make Mundus in the first place. By definition he cannot be a Daedra.

Technically yes, he can't be a Daedra, though he is aligned to Padomay like the Daedra are.

It can be very misleading to think of Anu and Padomay as the forces of Spirit and Change. They're better defined as being possibility and limitation, or most basically of all, IS and IS NOT. The Mundus is inherently Padomaic. It's defined by what IS NOT possible within it. This is why it took Lorkhan, a Padomaic spirit, to get the (Anuic) Aedra to create the Mundus at all. So as an Anuic spirit, it wouldn't be out of character for Alduin/Akatosh/Auri-El to see the Mundus as an aberration, a change that must be corrected to restore stasis. Lorkhan got his heart torn out for a reason.

Of course, there's also plenty of indication that his motives are more complex than that. We know precious little about how the cycle of creation and destruction works, and how Akatosh sees his place in it. For all we know, he may think he's just doing his job.

As for Lorkhan - yeah, he's dead, but exactly how much that inconveniences him is definitely up for debate.

Also, he participated in the creation of Mundus, so I think technically Lorkhan is an Aedra. But he doesn't really fit neatly in to either category.

We also have to remember that Akatosh and Alduin, despite being the same deity, mean different things, and there is considerable evidence that the same divine force, or power, is incarnated as different things or aspects based on what its worshipers believe of them. Thus we have Lorkhan, Shor, Shezarr, and (arguably) Talos being the same thing, but different (in some ways fundamentally) aspects of it, all due to belief, perception, and prevailing culture.

On Nirn, belief is an actual, quantifiable force in and of itself.

Uggh here we go with the arguments not supported by lore.... Anu and Padomay are literally the Forces of Stasis and Change respectively. Their meeting and the chaos they caused is the reason for all existence. Anu is the base for all things, the stasis of existence and Padomay fosters change within that stasis. They are not possibility and limitation, they are just Stasis and Change. It also annoys me when people say Alduin/Akatosh/Auriel when you can just say whichever name you like, their name isn't all three together. People keep thinking that the Nine have the power to destroy the world and remake it when it took most of their power originally to make it in the first place not to mention they chose not to destroy it originally because they decided to stay and finish what they already started and took so much from them. Why would he want to destroy it now? Those that worship the nine on Nirn are what give them their power now. Without their worshippers, the nine have no power again.

We know precious little about how the cycle of creation and destruction works because we don't even know that there is a cycle of creation and destruction. Nirn has never been destroyed and remade before, it is just a creation myth unique to the nords. Time is linear and thus Akatosh being the god of time would only want the world to move forward not cyclical.

This, pretty much. His heart didn't disappear, you destroyed it in Morrowind.

Am I the only one who doesn't believe Masser and Secunda are Lorkhan's body? Everyone seems to accept it as fact, I hesitate to believe it.

There is no Skyrim without Shor. And if Alduin comes to eat his creation, he will have a word or two to say about that.

Actually, that's not the case if you read up about exactly what you're doing in Morrowind. Sunder and Keening in and of themselves do not have the power to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan. What you see, and what you do, all revolved around the enchantments that Kagrenac placed on the Heart during the War of the First Council; a key part of his tools. Sunder makes the enchantments "vibrate" and Keening shapes them, channeling the power of the Heart to an intended purpose. It is, in fact, these enchantments that keep the Heart in this time, and place; in a kind of stasis.

So when you go up there, and purposefully make the enchantments "vibrate" with Sunder, and then rip them, disharmoniously, into shreds by wailing on it repeatedly with Keening, you actually destroy those enchantments holding it there, and furthermore destroy the anchor that both the Tribunal (whenever they visited to "recharge") and Dagoth Ur (who connected himself to those enchantments via some arcane ritual done in secret) used to link to the Heart itself.

The Heart, no longer held in that place and that time, seemingly decides to vanish, or otherwise goes beyond the perception of mortals. But it was not destroyed. If anything, you could say that it is now free to rejoin his other bits.

There is a good reason that Talos gave his blessing to the Nerevarine at Ghostgate. The Elder Scrolls, as a series, seems to have a meta-story about the gradual return of Lorkhan and the destruction of the barriers that have prevented him from being whole once more. Bit-by-bit, Lorkhan is returning.

Possibility and limitation are how the Altmeri perceive Anu and Padomay (seriously, go look it up, it's in The Monomyth). It may not necessarily be more accurate than the Stasis versus Change distinction, but it does give us a perspective on why Akatosh might want to destroy the world. And when you consider that the Aldmeri were Akatosh's first followers, it's not hard to see that they might have a more accurate view of his nature and intentions than the version the Imperials came up with.

As for the Nine and their relative power, there's a fairly good chance that Akatosh wasn't diminished by the process of creating Mundus the same way that the other Aedra were. He may or may not require worshipers to survive, it's not all that clear.

Hell, maybe he did require worshipers to survive, but doesn't now for whatever reason, which is why he's only now getting on with the business of cleaning up Lorkhan's mess.