What happened to the BoS's main base? In FO2 I think it was mentioned to be left alone by the NCR and still be up and running, but by the time of New Vegas what state do you think it's in? they were at war with the NCR in the Mojave while Lost Hills is still in NCR territory. Do you think the NCR attacked it? In FONV it seems as though Hidden Vally is the BoS's last base on the west. What are your thoughts?

I think they'll probably gone for good in the west from now on.

I could be wrong but I don't remember any mention of Lost Hills in FO2. There is only a couple BoS in the game. BoS have been around a very long time. So chances are they are just fine in the West.

I could be wrong but I think Matt mentioned it when you ask about the brotherhood's loss of power or something.

I guess I have to reload FO2 and play it again to be sure.

I just don't recall any conversation as to why the there arn't that many BoS. I can't see why it would come up. Chosen One is a tribal that knows nothing of the BoS till he meets the one in the Den or San Francisco. They might have said something like "we are busy somewhere else." Still they seemed to know all about the Chosen One and knew he was asked to get Vertibird Blue Prints so that points to them have a system of spies.

I think here are the three most likely situation at the Lost Hills Bunker:

(1) The NCR military attacked it. Despite taking heavy losses, managed to overrun it. Taking the surviving Brotherhood personal as POWs.
(2) Knowing that they cannot hold against the NCR, the High Elder order the troops there to put up a last-stand. Just before the NCR could reach the common center at the lowest floor, he self-destructed the bunker.
(3) The Brotherhood managed to hold out against the NCR, but the NCR simply blockade the area around it, cutting off their supply lines. The Brotherhood will have 3 choices left at this point: Surrender, attempt a breakout (which will result in heavy losses even if they succeed), or send diplomats to negotiate a truce.

I am making these assumptions because anyone who played Fallout 1 will remember that Lost Hills is right in the middle of what will one day become NCR territory. It is even just a few days away from JunkTown and the Hub (Both major population centers in the NCR). There is simply no way that the Brotherhood will be able to hold back a determined NCR attack or even maintain their supply lines.

BoS are still up and running back in the West. Mojave just lost contact with them.



IMO Lost Hills is most likely still in their hands. And besides, we don't know the borders of the NCR. There wasn't any towns west of Lost Hills, so it might be at their western border.

I doubt the Brotherhood would just hole up in the bunker and wait for the NCR to show up. Far more likely they'd establish a defensive perimeter well outside the bunker. NCR still has the advantage in the long term but pushing back entrenched troops in power armors is going to be a long and bloody process.

That or launch a massive offensive strike to keep the NCR on the defensive and maintain the initiative. That seems too bold for the Brotherhood leadership though.

I doubt that the Western BoS would be killed off without use seeing it. Mojave Chapter has a person in charge that decided staying underground would be best. One person thought that was a good idea. I doubt every BoS elder would decided that is the best action.

We don't know how big the Bos is back in the West. They have been around since 2077.

The elder in charge probably scuttle-nuked the bunker by making the fusion reactor overload, rather than let the NCR have it.

And where did you come up with that?

It is their policy, according to House at least, to nuke a base rather than have somone else take it over. However it assumes that they lost it. They've had a long time to fortify it, and keeping a "low Profile" like the NV bunkers would make n sense.

Was Mr.House talking about Lost Hills or Brotherhood tech they can't get their hands on?

They did not blow up Helios One.

If Lost Hills is gone it should have been more then a small mention of it. Devs would have made that very clear about Lost Hills being blown up. Lyons was given orders at Lost Hills was he not?

Well on the wiki it says that the NCR allowed the BoS to make the area around Lost Hills into their own state called Maxon which might have effected NCR's actions.

Perhaps the BOS will still be able to control their headquarters at Lost Hills. But the thing about the Brotherhood is that unlike the NCR, the Shi, or even the Legion, they are a military organization and lack a civilian government. They don't have any formal borders or territories, only outpost and bunkers. Their lack of a home front means that their supply lines can easily be cut off if they loss the support of the territories that the branch is in.

In Fallout 1, it is said that the BOS support themselves at Lost Hills by trading guns with caravans at the Hub. With the war with NCR, I don't see how they can continue to support themselves.

After the events of Fallout (2161-2162), the installation became a major research and development house, staying out of the politics of the Core Region and aiding the newly formed NCR, eventually becoming the heart of an autonomous state, Maxson.

maybe the ncr arent at war with the lost hills bos because the mojave ones started it?