I'm used to playing these games, starting over a few times after i get the hang of it, but i just got skyrim am on my 3rd start and was doing very nicely, not far at all in the game and installed all the DLC's, well i've been stockpiling all my alchemy ingredients for my now lvl 16 char in my whiterun house, i bought everything but the alchemy lab and put all collected ingredients in the barrel behind the ladder, well after installing the DLC's, that barrel for some reason disappeard and wont appear unless i purchase the alchemy lab and then it's empty...i can't express to you how [censored] much this pisses me off...i had a TON of stuff in there, once again i'll have to restart, i am thoroughly pissed for Bethesda waisting hours of my time...i am an out of work programmer, for the love of god, fire those you have coding your backend and give me and [censored]in job seriously, i've already adapted to have to continuously search missions and locations for this Skyrim so to avoid the numerous quest glitches, but this was the final line in the sand right here...the graphics and gameplay is great, but whoever you outsourced your database and backend programming to SHOULD BE FIRED!!!!!!

Common glitch. Either uninstall the DLC and move your ingredients elswhere.

Good rant.

I actually got blocked out of Breezehome, with Lydia still in it, and all my uniques and gear in there. The only things I was left with were my horse, and the gear on my back...it was divorce Bethesda style, with pretty much everything going to my spouse and a restraining order slapped on me.

Wow. What happened between you two?

1) i'm on console...ps3
2) i've been playing these RPG's for many years...i'm used to glitches...but the specific glitches in this game are just to seriously poor database programming...
3) i should not have to spend half of my gameplay time restarting, reloading, reinstalling, or some other work around because of all the glitches ...and again the thing that really gets me is that they're simple database errors

Just revert to a save before you installed the DLCs. Remove them first, load the save, get your ingredients. Then re-install them.


It's absolutely nothing to do with a database whatsoever.

She stole my sweetroll and ate it (I caught her), and she seems to have the guards on side, as they all taunt me about it. I think she was selling more than 'trinkets and things' when I was off adventuring

omg really every glitch that happens in this game is due to database errors XDXDXDXD...please tell me you're not a programmer

Why do you have to restart?
Just keep gathering your ingredients again and soon enough you will have as much as you did before.
Much faster than restarting.

Just like SomeWelshGuy said. Go back to an earlier save, before the dlc's, un-install them, load up your earlier save, and get your stuff. Re-install the dlc's, and buy the alchemy lab. It has a chest and pouch in there, along with a bookcase.

Yes, I'm a programmer.

If the DLC (chances are it was Hearthfire) modifies Breezehome (which it does), then that specific barrel can be removed (intentionally or not, as the Alchemy lab can be replaced with the Child's Bedroom). If the reference is removed, then all your stuff stored in it goes with it. Nothing at all to do with any database or storage errors.

Just load a save from before installing the DLCs, get your stuff and then install them again. It's not an absolutely major issue.

So? If you want the glitch fixed, uninstall the DLC. Move your ingredients to a drawer or something.

I"m used to restarting these massive RPG"s...the thing that gets me is how Bethesda let so so so many BS glitches slip through the cracks...it's like they outsourced the entire backend to some 5 cent/hr slave labor on the other side of the planet...i've only made it a short way throught the base game...3 times...and i've already encountered a plethora of glitches and like i said they're mainly simple database 'flag' errors or some such...so so bad, i just dont understand why bethesda would invest so much energy in making all the aspects of the game badass and then leave the backend to a bunch of thumbsvcking kindergardners...that's what i'm sayin


PS- the backend...the parts that glitch the most...are by far the easiest to fix btw

Tis why I moved from console to PC... to many bugs that will never get fixed. PC version will though with help from the community.

yea, i use console now for the first time ever...used to PC versions...but right now my PC is [censored]box and my game is on ps3 so....

really, this is just a long obnoxious request for bethesda to please for the love of god hire another party for the backend programming of their next feature(s)

It's not a programming issue. It's a simple oversight that didn't get caught and is now a bug. DLCs aren't patched for various reasons so it's just a bug that will unfortunately stay there.

While Bethesda's QA isn't exactly wonderful, not every bug can be caught, especially considering the size of their games.

I thought the only safe container was the chest in the bedroom?? For that matter I thought it was a known issue that all the homes you can purchase the only accepted safe container is the one main chest. All other containers respawn, so dlc or not chances are that at some point or other that container would respawn and your stuff would be gone.

Or did Bethesda change how their containers work?

Slightly off topic but as a programmer do you think you could shed some light on why you think Bethesda had so many problems getting the DLC's to work on the playstation 3, it took over 6 months to get Dawnguard working.

i want u to specifically explain to me how in the crap this is not a database error plz mister i'm a programmer

And now I'm depressed.

i would have to have intimate knowledge of Bethesda and Playstation code for that...again unless i was hired by them i would have no such knowledge, but i do understand programming and software design, and have some basic training in databases (this is excluding a lot of other pc experience), but what i do know is that every glitch i've encountered is simple backend programming problems...if you're not familiar with this sort of thing the game can be split up into many parts for programming for instance the graphics part and the 'quest' part which i would imagine is all database stuff or similar... Either way, most of the glitches that arise that i've noticed are due to 'flag' errors....simple simple stuff, i wrote an old 'castle' rpg back before there were VGA graphics if you guys are familiar with that old game...the backend to this stuff is very tedious but easy..., which is why i get mad that they spent so much effore into the graphics and gameplay mechanics...and it's as if they outsourced the 'easy' backend/quest part to some cheap morons somewhere

I also got locked out of Breezehome after the Civil War part there and had to use a console command to unlock the door. It would have been nice if I could have just knocked on the door and had Lydia let me in...

As for the o.p., Bethesda's games have always been buggy and always will be. That's why I switched to pc and love having access to the unofficial patches and console commands. Bethesda will never learn unless people stop buying their games, but they're so addictive and immersive and hard to pass up even though most people know ahead of time that they're buying a buggy game.

I...just did.

Plugin files store all the changes compared to the master file (in this case, the Hearthfire plugin file compared to the Skyrim master). The container's reference is stored in the Skyrim master file, and the contents of that container is then overwritten by what's stored in the save file. However if the Hearthfire plugin removes this reference (either accidentally or on purpose, as it changes a lot of things in the player homes), then that reference will be marked as deleted in comparison to the master file. Therefore as far as the game's concerned with the plugin enabled, that container no longer exists. The contents is still in your save file, but the container isn't.

You can think of the plugin files as records in a database, sure (they are, I guess) that constantly override eachother (Save File -> Plugin File -> Master File). But it's not an issue with the programming itself, the way the records are stored or anything like that. If the barrel was intentionally removed to make way for other stuff, then someone chose to do that. If they didn't mean to remove the barrel unless you upgraded to a Child's Bedroom, then that's a bug of course. But it's still a human error in terms of someone set it to remove it before it was necessary.

Someone removed a barrel that happened to have your stuff in it. Whether that's a bug or not, it's a decision someone's made and not a flaw in how the system works.