well if you ever play in wow its takes about 6 months to get a nice legendary weapons. so the way they setup this game I can understand why you don't get a weapons beside its a casual game not like hardcoe fallout game

@ kudoshinchi:

Maybe you are right. It should not be too easy, where is the fun in that?

On the phone, my little people found some legendary stuff. The Blackhawk, Charons Shotgun and the Kneecapper.

On my pad, just the other day i opened a lunchbox from a assignment, and voila: One Mr. Handy. It put a smile on my face.

But... In the wake of the deathclaws, i wanted more powerful weapons. I let my dwellers train, a lot of luck and endurance.

Some of them are in the wasteland for over 3 days. And when you have 180 dwellers, caps aren′t the problem.

The problem is, you can nothing do with it! The vault is built as i want it. And now?

Okay, i will collect weapons. All of them, alot of them, and the best of them. I send well trained dwellers out for the search, and they do find good stuff.

But never ever did they find a Gatling, Fatman, Minigun or power armor. And after 2 months of spending a good amount of time, this raises my eyebrows.

Is it even possible?

I do alot of the assignments to get lunchboxes out of the game. here i have the same Problem. Sometimes is good stuff, like the Mr. Handy.

But more often, it′s the lame 500caps and crap.

Oookay, i will buy a lot of them, then there must be some good weapons. As i learned by now, no. And as i heard here, some had even lesser luck.

Like every other company, it is Bethesda′s right to earn money. And yes, you can play this game freely and you do not have to spend money.

But when i spend money, i won′t do it for crap. The first 2 packages i bought proved that. There was really good stuff in it.

But the last one was very disappointing, and it was after the second update.

What i think is: Bethesda was astonished by the success of the game, and now they have Dollars in the eye like $crooge McDuck.

I thought better of you, Bethesda...

You echo my sentiments exactly Brin and you what you have posted sounds almost exact to the tee as to what has happened with me. I have spent quite a bit on the game.( I bought like 15 Mr Handys as soon as they came out, including many lunchbox purchases). Now it's like they are ignoring comments and suggestions and laughing all the way to the bank. Why are the CAPS maxed at 999,999? What is the point of that and why cant we have some nice items to buy with our time spent?

I thought better of Bethesda as well..

And you "Free Game" people, I wanted to spend the money, I want ALL the legendary weapons and characters, I work hard for my money and I WILL spend it when I enjoy something.

Give us saves and a way to transfer our vaults, items to spend our caps on, reward us for our time and money spent the way it should be, and my faith will be restored.

@ Bince:

Thank you for your support. I know exactly what you mean. Like i said, money is not the issue. I spend 20 bucks easily, and i do enjoy FOS.

They did a lot of things right. I like the comical design, and i like my little dwellers. I did some breeding, i experiment a lot, they gave us much room for that.

As i said i will not delete the game because i lost some money.

But.. Yes, like you said, they are laughing all the way to the bank.

I want to give Bethesda some credit. It′s their first "app", maybe they are experimenting, too.

Okay Bethesda, here is the frontier. What Bince said: Reward us not only for our Money, but for our time.

Don′t forget who are your fans and followers.

You people buying a new device just to play this game


Are you [censored] insane?

not surprise some ppl will buy new graphic card all the time when new PC games comes out

That is completely different then buying a new iPad for a free to play game, a new graphics card works for everyou single game you play and makes videos run better and just general system improvements

@ DeanOrz:

You could say that

And i love it

Why? Because!

Despite the whining 500 caps is a non reward.

Caps are the most plentiful resource in the game, and there is nothing to spend them on after a while.

As long as 500 caps cards are a possibility for the 4th lunchbox card I personally won't be spending any money.

I have no interest in spending my money to be disappointed like that.

Kind of like how a new phone works for every single game you play, makes videos run better and has just general system improvements?

I see where your coming from but there was a person who specifically bought a new device JUST to play this game

@ DeanOrz:

That′s nothing.

I even thought of buying Bethesda, so they could make FOS the way i want it.

But that would, as you put it so nicely, be ####### insane

So can we go back to the topic of the thread?

My solution for the 500 caps from Lunchbox problem: New Premium Lunchbox.


The Premium Lunchbox is guaranteed to yield only true legendary items: 20+ weapon, power armor, legenday dwellers, etc. No more **** from the Lunchbox. No 500 caps or mediocre legendary/rare item.


Catch:

it will be expensive: 5-10 US dollar a pop.

No free premium Lunchbox. It should be purchased by real money.

Dude THAT is something I could get behind

You are complaining about spending money on an item that has a *chance* to get something good. I dont quite understand why you are complaining. You could have bought 10 lunchboxes and have 10 amazing items, followed by 100 luncboxes with absolutely nothing. If you have that many caps, and that many dwellers, you should already know at this point that the chances are fairly high lunchboxes are filled with crap.

My past 3 lunchboxes from objectives:

100 caps

1x radaway

50 food

some kind of 7-8 weapon

50 caps (I didnt know this was possible)

1x radaway

50 power

some kind of mediocre armor

500 caps

3x stimpacks

50 food

some kind of mediocre armor.

In fact, the amount of times I have gotten anything good from lunchboxes since I started playing, could be counted on 2 hands, with an average of 2 lunchboxes a day depending on objective luck; a fatman, 3 rare dwellers, and some other 10+ dmg weapons.

You spent money on items HOPING you would get something. It was never a certainty, and you were unlucky.

The only thing I agree with you on is the lack of diversity. Of course this means your odds of getting anything good will be even lower. But I would indeed like to see more fallout 1-2 references, though I doubt Bethesda has the rights to do so.

That's a bit much for a lunchbox that could contain a legendary character that we already have...I have 2 Jerichos, 2 Alistar Tenpennys, 2 Eulogy Jones...I say keep the same thing on the lunchboxes just drop the cap limit on the CAPS, and give us some legendaries to buy with our caps...thus rewarding us for our time spent, and we wouldn't mind the 500 cap cards as much anymore.....? Paying say 10 bucks for a lunchbox and getting a double or triple etc of a toon you already have would be frustrating as well.

Problem you have is simple... lunchboxes are NOT fixed, and they do NOT have to contain something you want or expect. They're a randomized piece of code that may net you good items, but most of the time will not.

If you spend money on a fixed item (that iPad AIR of yours, for example), you get what you paid for.

If you spend money on a game of chance (like betting on game of poker, for example), you may end up rich (rarely) or lose your bet (most probably)

Lunchboxes are RANDOM, they do not contain "fixed items", so you're doing it wrong if you expect or demand good items because you paid for them.

Honestly I havent got a lunchbox yet that didnt have the 500 caps card, ive had about 5 so far.

heh, after my post I finished up a bit of fallout shelter collecting, and I got another lunchbox. An amazing 3-5 pistol (yay), 50 food (hurray), and 2x 500 caps card XD.

It would be more useful if the resource card could be an item you could save up for dire need at a later time.

@ DeanOrz:

Thank you. Go and get youself a beer. I pay

@ sofajockey, michelrpg & Yorien:

I know.

I still don′t like it. You say that my expectations are too high. Really???

I reverse that and say: Your expectations are too low!

I do not complain about the 40 boxes i bought, i say that even the boxes we get as rewards out of the assignments are mostly crap now.

You do 20 things here, 40 things there. You send dwellers for x hours in the wasteland and you extinguish an x of fires.

Then, as a "reward", a box. Ju. Hu.

You already know, before opening the box, that at least 3 out of 4 items are crap.

You could say that is the first slap in your face.

Then: 500caps. Or a lame dweller. Or a weapon under 15. Or lame clothes.

The counter of your caps is already on his Limit, may be so is the counter of your dwellers.

A good program should adjust for that.

The programming, you know, is not written in stone. They can change such things.

What i think is, they already did.

As i said, i have the feeling Bethesda has tuned down the contents of the boxes since the 2nd update.

Before that, there where at least 20 good items in 40 boxes. After that, only 4. You do the math.

I think Bethesda already did that, too.

It has nothing to do with expectations. Lunchboxes are a gamble. You chose to use real money to gamble on them, you lost. I have had very bad lunchboxes, but I also had very good ones. Some of the achievements can be done fast and easy, and you always have the option to skip one a day as well.

With that said, the only thing I would like to see is a more diverse lunchbox content. Not more weapons or gear or dwellers, I am sure there are dozens of possibilities for more content.

@ michelrpg:

Spending Money has nothing to do with expectations?

Heh, that′s a good one. You should not work for advertisemant (no offense...)

I did not want to see FOS as a slot-machine, thank you for the enlightment.

So maybe they did not change the contents but the odds.

Still, this changes nothing.

You can′t get the really good stuff just by playing, and i don′t want to spend endless money.

As i see it, youre just doing my opinion justice.

Lunchboxes are a ripp-off.

And with Fallout 4 on the horizon, i will at first wait a little time to see what i have to pay there for contents.

Maybe thats your problem right there; you don't want to see the lunchboxes as a slotmachine. But they are. You buy an item, and they can have 1 of the following; food, water, power, 50 caps, 100 caps, 500 caps, radaway, stimpacks, low-end weapons (3-5), medium weapons (7-9), strong weapons (12-16), rare strong weapons (16+), regular gear, improved gear, rare gear, legendary dweller, Mister Handy. By rule of RNG, common items will ALWAYS be, well, common. So this means an easy 13 options of the aforementioned items will be common and have a very high chance in appearing in a lunchbox. Then there is the improved gear which is a bit more rare than the common items, but not THAT rare, those will appear a good deal in your 20 lunchboxes as well. Then there are the Dwellers and strong weapons, which are a level above those, but below the Mister Handy.

You had Dwellers, which you didn't want. Obviously you didn't need the regular gear, or the caps, or the supplies. In fact, I daresay you probably didnt need anything except a Mister Handy, and the rare strong weapons. So you essentially HOPED that 40 lunchboxes would contain either of those. You are disappointed about them not having it, which is understandable, but you can't complain about money spent. You could have waited, and be patient for daily objectives. Which brings me to your next comment

You bought Lunchboxes. An item which is given to you ingame for FREE. There is no difference between the lunchboxes you bought and the ones I received for free, at least not to my knowledge. So I do think you can get the good stuff by playing. It just takes patience to do so. And this game is not really intended for the impatient. That said, it's entirely free to play. It's up to you to spend money or not on it. But you'd be better off just buying the mister Handy if thats your desire.

And the only opinion I give justice is the desire for more variety in content, not the increase of odds for legendary stuff. Having played several loot-based rpg's over my life, there is nothing worse than having a company increase the droprate on item, because it renders the hard-to-get items to nearly common. And it svcks because it takes away any feeling of fortune you felt when you already found a few items before. Its not special anymore.

There is no doubt in my mind the lunchboxes were nerfed at the Android/Deathclaw patch---I have purchased and won them before the patch...and after. The 500 cap card is MUCH more common now, and legendary char/armor/weapon is much less common. Take my word for it. That in itself is why I keep suggesting the availability to purchase nice items with CAPS and have the cap limit taken away. It not only rewards the player for time spent, it also entices the player to AGAIN buy lunchboxes and not be so disappointed when the 500 cap card. It's a no-brainer.

What part of "guaranteed" means "chance"? Bethesda promised at least 1 rare or better card in every lunchbox, and this was actually the case before the update.


500 caps is not rare, and it's lame whether you paid for the lunchbox or got it from an objective. It's that simple. if they chance their description to be "a chance of 1 rare or better card in every lunchbox", well, then, I guess we can all just go home.