Question when does fallout 3 official end I can't find nothing on the date it ends

After broken steel.

Not necessarily. Elder Lyons is a contentious figure, but he is still well respected by many in the Brotherhood. Arthur's mother was the one who decided to send him to be raised by Lyons. It could simply be that she happens to be of the not-uncommon opinion that the BoS has a duty to the people, and that she believes that her son would benefit from Lyons' tutelage... The fact that Elder Lyons is still officially recognized by the Lost Hills council is proof that he still has his supporters.

Actually he was sent to the Citadel since back West it was dangerous for him inside the bunker because of internal turmoil and his mother thought Elder Lyons seemed much better in looking after him than the Elders back West but Elder Lyons wasn't like he is now back then.

I still think the most likely group is the Eastern Brotherhood. The name of the airship is just too fitting.

You mean Lyons BoS?

The Eastern Brotherhood is the canon name for the Midwest BoS.

Yes. The Capital Wasteland one

yea but whats the date?

I'm still thinking WCBoS or MWBoS.

The Brotherhood didn't get to where they are 200 years after the war by choosing to die in their bunkers so I'm thinking the WCBos had a plan.

There are plenty of places north and east of Lost Hills that are well outside of the NCR territory.

They needed to replace the lost airships so why not build more just in case.

And once they saw things were coming to a head with the NCR, why not shift production to a safe base outside of the NCR for new construction and to finish partial construction.

When it was obvious they were losing to the NCR, they could have abandoned Lost Hills and retreated to the their secret Air Ship construction base.

Father Elijah of the Mojave Brotherhood of Steel may have ignored secret orders hoping HELIOS One would turn the tide.

The Mojave Brotherhood of Steel retreated in to hiding unaware of the secret fallback orders.

The full-on assault on HELIOS One by the NCR was in 2276.

If the remaining WCBoS abandoned Lost Hills at that time or shortly there after, then they could have lost contact with the Mojave Chapter.

Late in 2077 would make good time for the WCBoS to show up in airships on the East Coast.

But the WCBoS would even have less reasons to call their airship Prydwen... Bethesda wouldn't have choose this name for no reason.

The BoS dating back to Fo1 and Fo2 have used Arthurian mythology in relation to the BoS it isnt strictly a beth or CWBoS thing.

I have wondered what the longterm plan for the WCBOS is, just wait and hope for the NCR to collapse and start up their old ways?

I wouldn't be that surprised by the WCBOS moving on mass eastwards, after all the would probably have Lyons' reports mapping the route eastwards and they may have learned about MIT/the Institute from Lyons.

One reason why that wouldn't happen would be if they are planning more west coast games with appearances by the WCBOS.

I'm still holdng out a hope that MWBOS and CWBOS will be clashing over the Institutes tech.

I agree the MWBoS hasn't made an appearance and using them would leave the WCBoS fully available for another West Coast Fallout by Obsidian or someone else.

But even losing to the NCR and sending two or three airships east, doesn't eliminate the WCBoS from being a player on the West Coast outside of the NCR and Legion territories.

If they regrouped to a fallback base located outside of NCR territory like some place near Seattle or Portland, they could rebuild and still have sent the airships east.

The fallback base just needs to be big enough to let them finish the airships, support their PA and weapons tech, and keep their non combatants safe until a better site can be found.

Between the Institute, the Enclave, and Lyon's CWBoS at the Pentagon there is plenty of high tech worth investigating.

If nothing else Lyons' CWBoS could be expected to share technology with the other Chapters.

Even if they disagree with Lyons' policies, they know Lyons would offer them shelter if they needed it.

Also the Outcast, as proven BoS faithful, would also offer shelter and would be an extremely valuable asset to a WCBoS depleted from war with the NCR.

So either they find a better new home for the WCBoS, or they take any new technology they can acquire plus any Outcast, CWBoS, and MWBoS volunteers and return to the West Coast in a much stronger position.

Not to mention they might want a young Arthur Maxson to serve as a figurehead.

Those were in easter eggs though.

Agreed.

Even four years is a fairly short time for the CWBoS to go from having no airships to having one like the Prydwen.

Especially when Boston is only 400 miles away from the Capital Wasteland and both are totally accessible by sea.

Much easier to salvage a relatively small cargo ship of some sort (which would still carry ten times the cargo as an airship).

Liberty Prime is a very nice consolation prize.

No I think the Prydwen is WCBoS or MWBoS.

WCBoS built the airships in the first place and MWBoS was that ones using them before they crashed.

With 2700 miles between Lost Hills and Boston, an airship makes a lot more sense.

Even though Prydwen is named for Arthurian lore? The only reason anyone would know or use that name is if they were familiar with arthurian lore already or looked it up specifically for that purpose. Considering that Bethesda have overtly emphasised this fact it makes most sense.

Not to mention I don't think that they'd drop their own lore when they could continue their own East Coast narrative rather than ressurecting the MWBoS. You have to remember that most people that played Fallout 3/NV don't know what the MWBoS even are.

Why would Lyons know about it and not the other branches of the BoS? Unless FO4 is starting in 2300 or later it is silly for them to be in Boston when their home turf isn't stabilized.

Your forgetting Bethesda Tiberius and they're lack of caring for such matters. You know like the whole idea of a Brotherhood chapter even being in Washington D.C. in the first place.

They will be in F4 because Bethesda wants it that way and to continue the story.

Personally I'm thinking that they've started worshiping Maxson as a saviour, all the Enclave tech went to their heads and they want to take what the Institute has. Considering that the Institute might be the only regional threat to them it maybe even be justifiable.

They did explain that though

It was a 3 part mission

1. Make contact with the MWBoS and bring them back under Lost Hills command.

2. Investigate reports of super mutants not tied to The Master's army on the east coast.

3. Recover any and all advanced tech from the nation's capitol.

This is true my point being however that the name relation isn't an entirely new thing or necessarily related Bethesda or CWBoS.

I say this half because its truth and half because the CWBoS under the purview Lyon's is the last thing I would like to see in Boston.

To be fair though id take lyon's BoS over no BoS.

Why would they worship Maxson as a savior? What would he have done between Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 to merit worship? Especially if, as some believe, Fallout 4 takes place almost immediately after Fallout 3?

Yeah, I know that they gave a justification. I just don't think it's very good.

The whole Midwestern thing was never even referenced in-game, been trying to wayback machine the old Fallout 3 website where they talk about the Brotherhood's mission but can't remember the website name.

How would they even know of Super Mutant activity in a backwards part of the world?

And there are many places in-between which might have been more prudent to search first, not to mention easier to transport goods back.

Who cares, it's all about Arthurian lore man! King Arthur, the air to the throne, knights of yore, the Prydwen!

I don't think they'll look at it so logically, it's all about a narrative - which could be interesting.

It was. Rothchild mentions them at one point, saying they've gone rouge.

As for even knowing about the Super Mutants, they probably didn't at first. But that was part of the mission of the MW chapter, and they probably noticed the Super Mutants as the got closer and closer to the Capital Wasteland, eventually finding out that's where they are coming from (unless the ones in Boston are native to the Commonwealth because... reasons), and started making tracks.

I throw my hands up at that last one, because yeah. That said, if my second point is correct, it might explain why they started making tracks for DC.

A minor reference then? Fair enough I suppose.

Then why mention it as a reason they were dispatched there? And come on, the Super Mutants can't have a had a range beyond like less than a hundred miles from D.C.. I've always thought that the majority of the Capital's population lived in the urban ruins which would explain the heavy mutant presence in the area. I mean it was a big city with a lot of people.

Maybe it's just an American thing but to everyone else, 100 miles is a really long way away, especially if your a mutant that has to walk. Can't imagine super mutants would stray far from the nest.