Kinda agree. make the simplest shooter game and all console kiddies will buy it anyway...easy money for you.

Consoles limit game complexion by nature, both in the technical way and in the human-machine interface way. It's just laughable seeing someone trying to play Dragon Age in console...and it's pretty simple to be a fully-fledged RPG...

And this is based on? I see directly the opposite (and right here in this forum too).

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The post directly above yours seems like a pretty good example.

They're different beasts. One needs to be different from the other. Differnet UI's.

Generalizing and using a once PC exclusive example( or worse a PC only as in second quote) is a poor argument. PC IS the minority in sales concerning Bethesda's games and that is what we are talking about here, Bethesda. Not the whole flippin gaming industry.

Except that they got arguments, and two valid ones (The Sims, and WoW).

Wasn't there a poll about what we were buying Skyrim for and PC was higher then Xbox?

Sucellus's post, the one I was actually talking about, mentions none of those things. It's a bog standard PC gamer "consoles svck and people only make games for them because they're stupid and will buy everything and my opinion as a member of the glorious PC gaming master race is better than yours" post. The kind that seems to dominate these forums whenever the subject of PCs and consoles is raised.

Hence why this thread has descended into childish insults instead of a serious discussion of the OP's concerns.

I would prefer it to be made for PC. Not because I hate consoles or anything like that. I simply believe that the spirit of the Elder Scrolls games were meant to be played out on a PC.

I m Sorry Madam.
And i m double sorry to annouce there are loads of PC games that doesn t care a little dropplet of (insert bad thing here) for console market, and guess what ? they are the best even if not seling as much as console.
Sony and Microsoft doesn t want PC game ported ? Then (insert bad thing here) it. Ain t Sony getting huge financial problem because of their lack of of vision and their unsuccesfull try to impose their system to the market ? Having to step back.
And Microsoft with their failed 360. Microsoft had to bully all the market to make it fly...
If the market make good games they will sell, if they don t they won t and will fall, Morrowind was a live proof. But since console market accepted weaker product, why would PC developers care to maker uper standart game.
And by the same mechanism, if standart where maintained console would mostly have their market heavily reduced, which by way is a tendency as each time more games are modables and consoles doesn t accept such or are very limited on to it.
And once you have a good PC why the hell would you want to have a console ? There s absolutely nothing interesting in a console (again WII exception) but short term price.

I think it's primarily because of hype that is made via ads, paid reviews about games, also, disinfo. All of this makes people... delusional, to say the least.

One great example, in my opinion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Hf4i7XtSs

Wow, 5 pages, 20 users, and more flamethrower action than AvP Online. Skyrim's civil war'll be childs play!

Best scenario would be system specific interfaces, but that requires more time and thus, more money. I really do wonder if the ROI would suffer, or prosper if they made the gamble to make a PC specific interface for PC, and a seperate one for consoles.

Would it be too incredible if I say I kinda agree with him?

I'm not so radical as him, but it certainly worries me the progressive lack of complexity we're seeing with the "console" excuse. And not only in TES. Dragon Age 2 will also be less RPGish and more action-oriented according to rumours.

This discussion accomplishes nothing, I think someone needs to say it.

PC Elitists: Pretending everything you don't like about the gaming industry is entirely the fault of the ignorant, 'roid-roaring, inbred, consumerist mass-market sheeple console kiddies isn't going to suddenly convince developers to stop developing for consoles.

Regular PC gamers and Console Gamers: Reason isn't going to convince the elitists to shut up.

ALL CONCERNED: At this point in development, both in Bethesda's case and in general, consoles are lucrative and so are PCs. Releasing them on both means more money with negligible negative impact, because every developmental decision isn't dedicated solely to actively screw over one group or the other.

The people on these forums aren't representative for the Skyrim buyers as a whole.

Do you not think that may be Beth's fault? That they might actually sell more on the PC if they make a better job of the PC version?

Not really.

Most dedicated gamers (the target audience for Skyrim) are console gamers. Most wildly successful PC games are casual or social games, like The Sims.

I don't blame console users for everything. Just games oversimplicity. And that is already both proved and justified.

Nope, because the majority of gamers out there have abandoned the PC in favor of maintenance free plug and play gaming only found on a console. I can understand the appeal and I too would probably have a console if all i did with my PC was game.

No, it's a myth. We've been over this.

Seriously, if console gamers couldn't handle the complexity of Morrowind and needed the game to be "dumbed down" to like Oblivion, how come Morrowind did so well on consoles?

That's not to say that some developers don't believe console users want oversimplified games. There's been some indications that Bethesda, sadly, has bought into the myth. Just one more reason to get rid of it.

This statement is unfounded. Pleas link me to the world wild sales report from the last year if you want me to believe that Bethesda is so different from the rest of the gaming industry. The company developed as a PC games company, it got where is is because PC games it made sell - it's very existence is the prove of the fact. Morrowind became a hit long before it could be ported on consoles - a fact as well. Even if they made more money on consoles last couple of years (and as I sad i don't see any prove of that) it's not because PC doesn't bring them any.
As I sad - multi platform is where the real money is these days.

The second yes, not only PC but console too.
They use the Console excuse to bring lesser product than they could be, when even console market aspire for greater game.
One thing you can see is the number of people pretending to have a PC to be able to MOD. And why the hell they want to mod, which BTW is a trend in the game market. Explain me ? To dumb down the game maybe ?

So once gamer migrate to PC, which IMO is the sensible move, and not because i m a PC elitist, but because PC permit you a pletora of oportunities console don t, henceforth is more valuable and cheaper overall, what excuse beth, or any other company, will have because their public which was once console now are PC ?

And anyway what excuse has it to make lesser quality product than before, gamers demand ? HAH!, which ones ? would like someone to tell me please.

I was just thinking, if they did do separate versions of the UI for the 360 and the PC, would I be able to use the 360 interface on my PC version? I Usually end up playing PC games with a 360 controller because I find it more immersive and relaxing to be able to lean back and relax with a controller in my hands than to be sitting over my keyboard with a mouse instead of a joystick. I hope that I would be able to apply the UI more suitable for that control scheme even though I am on a PC.

Well, then you already have 2 well-known companies (Bethesda and BioWare) to convince to get rid of that myth. Lots of work to do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kPUFxXYLs