Are you color blind? :facepalm:

Just kidding.

But still, how can you hate TES? It has awesome graphics and you can't deny it. Don't forget about the superb gameplay!

I enjoy how Skyrim looks,its seems this game's art style will never appeal to emotional train wrecks. Most of us are sound individuals who will purchase the game.

But the Elder Scrolls told of their return!! You should have listened! It's all cool though, because there's one they fear.

On a more serious note, do you remember Akatosh?? He was a dragon . Or at least appeared as on in Oblivion.

I really must debate this with you. Though the graphics are still fantastic, you should look into what the game is really all about. You clearly haven't researched it enough. And also, one person's consistent opinion is not going to deliver a form-fitting game to that one person. And finally, you said that " they have used creatures which are in every other game of this genre (dragons)", 'creatures' is plural and you only gave one type of creature, the Dragon. Dragons have never been in an Elder Scrolls game before, so this is quite new for Bethesda. They have always been a part of the lore, so why didn't you quit playing years ago if you knew that there were Dragons mentioned somewhere?

He is just pissed off because Todd Howard didn't come to a personal visit, kneel before him and beg him to become the new Lead Designer of TES games.
He is also pissed off because he is not getting a Morrowind 2. if you read his posts, you will see that he is one of those who, for God knows which reason, believe that TES = Morrowind... which is very, very, very far from truth... TES is more often a classic fantasy then alien like MW and SI.

The very fact that he argues even tough he has only seen one trailer shows that he didn't even try to see what Skyrim is about: he saw it ain't MW2, that the game has good graphics instead of being a Indie game and got pissed off.I Don't want to flame him but what else can you do? If he spent at least few hours on collecting info about Skyrim I'd be more respectful. But he didn't: he admitted it himself that he just saw a trailer and thats it.. .a trailer that is supposed to be nothing more then a teaser.

Oh, and about DnD... I am not a DnD fan but it is getting kinda annoying to see that people they think that DnD = classic fantasy. DnD works well even with alien settings and is actually just a set of rules and ideas, not a setting. The fact that most DnD settings are Classic Fantasy is choice of campaign makers, not a DnD rule.

Oh, and a dragon appeared in The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard. The lore also cofirms that dragons are part of TES universe... a important part of TES to the boot... So OP, where did you get the idea that dragons are not part of TES?

This 1st graphics aren't even related to gameplay and one does not limit the other and as already said dragons are a vital part of TES's lore.

OP made me laugh, literally. Thanks :goodjob:

Essence of rant in ten words.


Also, this.

Edit: And here's yet another thing that I'd like to add (something that's already mentioned by other posters, really). You've read a helluva lots of mentions on the Dragons existence in whole of The Elder Scrolls series (that is to say, if you even bother to read the in game books, which your post suggests the otherwise, m'afraid). The avatar for Akatosh and Alduin are supposedly a Dragon. Then you even had a chance to fought http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Monsters#Dragonling in Daggerfall. The continent of Akavir (I'm sure you've heard it, hm?) literally translates to the "Dragon Lands". You fought a Red Dragon, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Redguard:Retrieve_the_Soulgem#Point_M, in "Redguard". Heck, even the Imperial banner... you know: that symbol on the front cover of your Morrowind box... is a FREAKING DRAGON.

You really think you're the only one who can dish out ideas for the developers to use? If the minority say they want monster vultures and the majority say they want dragons, who do you think they'll consider putting in the game? And even so, Bethesda is the one developing the game so obviously they'll do what they see fit regardless of what we want. Besides, they do manage to create ideas on their own, they can't rely entirely upon what fans say, and if they did that, I'm sure each and every game they made would be inconsistent contradicting itself.

Well, the rocks could be a bit more green/mossy, not only basalt exists. but last time I check snow is fairly white.

Or is it blue, I forgot.

Because Bethesda releases a nice looking trailer and some screenshots before giving out all the gameplay details that means they're focusing on graphics? :rolleyes:

I find it rather ironic that people get upset about TES adding something like dragons. It just strikes me as odd, being most of the time people are up in arms about them taking something out. Dragons have always been in the lore, we've just only seen one of them so far. I mean...will the fact that dragons are flying around really make TES feal like any other rpg of its type out there? I guess I just don't see the corrilation.

Maybe they finally figured with the the tech they had they could pull off a good dragon. Maybe they always wanted to have dragons, but never felt they could do them justice. I don't think they kept a large beast out of the game just to be unique. Besides, the area's we've seen in the trailer look amazing while at the same time the combat we've seen looks brutal and more believable.

When was Bethesda not interested in Graphics?

Had I been playing something other than super mario in 1996 (or the DOOM and Quake dabbling) I think a game like daggerfall would have blown me out of the [censored]ing water. Quake looked marginally better but was not built on the same scale.


It's not like we're talking Crysis-tech-edge here, Skyrim is a good looking game but it's not *the* best looking game on the market. Just as Morrowind was not *the* best looking game on the market, and daggerfall was not *the* best looking game on the market, etc, as usual it will be the world and character diversity that sets it aside from other titles.

I remember a developer once saying that they waited till they could do dragons justice. That developer... was quite passionate on topic of dragons



to be perfectly honest, all four TES games before Skyrim were incredible in terms of graphics (/for their time). MW was especially incredible: it was better looking then almost every game of that time... hell, it made them look 10 years older.

Technically, Skyrim is now so incredible. The art (which IMO is far more important anyway) and some small details makes it look better then it technically is. In the end, it is a game created for PS3 and X360 hardware, just like OB.
Check newest The Witcher 2 screenshots to see how a game of this age can look like.

Since it's not Morrowind it must svck right? Seriously people, Skyrim isn't even out yet. Just because the game doesn't take place in alien like world doesn't mean it will svck. Give the game a chance! You haven't even played it, it's not even coming out for atleast seven months!

Way to fight fire with fire guys!

The OP just prolonged your life with a few seconds if your to believe the myth behind laughing :thumbsup:

Shhh.... did you hear that?.... lurking in the shadows?.... oh no!.... it can't be!... It's the dreaded...!!............ maaaaaaainstreeeeaaaaaammmm... (echoes all around) :ahhh:

How did you miss the info about Skyrim - it was announced in December?


Then you need to dig into lore more. :shrug:



No offense but your opinion of "doing it right" vs. what I think, or what a 1000 other members think is "right" varies so much its laughable. And its what keeps these forums busy and chatty. But the only ones who know what is right in their world are the developers and story writers for the game. Your suggestions in a multi-year spanning thread of TES-V suggestions and ideas may be all well and good but that thread was never intended as anything but a good space for members to toss around ideas. Todd and others have said they read the forums and I would imagine that over time they have found some interesting posts or discussions. But I think they have a solid vision - and probably a longer term one - of the world they have created and expanded upon over the years.


Heh. So many people on this forum ignore the main quest in Oblivionand play through the interesting and lengthy other questlines.

*looks at avatar*
You're just used to these kinda of boring, snowy landscapes full of boring creatures and boring people who can hardly keep a conversation, and civil wars between empires and rebels, and bearded men who can literally shake the world with only their voices, and vikings and mead and... Wait, where was I going with this?

Ah, I see another "I want MW 2.0". Sorry I wasted my time here. /shrug

Skyrim looks awesome for many reasons, including all the ways it is "not" like MW and OB. I feel sorry for folks who have already ruined the game for themselves in their own mind, this game is going to be epic. :celebration:

We will crush your opinion a thousand fold! Keep it coming, guys; he's still twitchin'!

We're fighting fires of insane rage with the dousing waters of common sense and reasonability.

you seem like you care, but have you done enything than watching that trailer, take a look through the GI website, there is tons of info there.

ps. constantly whining I want I want in the suggestion forums wo't get you anywhere

"they no lissen to what i wannn, i no buy game bethsduh is worz gaym devlper evurrr "
me me me me, you have such great idea's, go make your own game, dazzle us with it.