That is off-topic, and has nothing to do with what the OP stated. You're reduced to using 1-2 spells and there is a lack of mage artifact gear. This is boring.

Also, anyone can do that by exploiting. Just use /tgm dude, its faster.

I empathize with you, but I myself am a level 56 mage and am having absolutely no problems.

No... you CAN become overpowered if you abuse enchanting and smithing... using only the mage schools doesn't make you overpowered..
And certainly not using Destruction only like you should be able to do...

Mage doesn't need to exploit jack [censored], they can do it with spells out the box.


And the poll is good/bad. I'm voting stupidly overpowered, if you know what you are doing.

Please tell me how you are using sprays , glpyhs, cloaks (the most hyped magic features of Skyrim) at mid-high levels.

They don't scale, and you are reduced to spamming bolts. Not even dragon age magic is that bad.




Even though this is off-topic, please explain.

Sure, they can, if you're comfortable with taking 10 minutes to kill anything.

Dude, lets not get personal, this is about the mages in game.. not me

The question was mages, not monoperked twunts.

We get it, mages require a very strict build unlike all other archetypes. Destro in particular is the most dependent damage skill in the entire game. We get it.

Thats not the issue - the issue is that none of the hyped spells scale. This results in a horrible damage spell selection when compared to even bad rpg's such as Dragon Age 2.

Yeah - that's a bs excuse... Besides, aren't mages supposed to be astute in dealing with formulas and equasions? If mages want to be spread-sheety, I say give them exel!!

if by ''know what you're doing'' you mean exploiting already overpowered skills like enchanting and smithing then yes... they can become strong but not op..
And in high levels you still need to spam hundreds of bolts of whatever kind of magic to even kill an enemy!

There are many spells I do not use however. The only master spells I utilize are mass paralysis from stealth and dragonskin.

Some of the master spells are quite clearly not implemented correctly. For example the master level illusion spells don't even work on most enemies but the dual-casted expert ones work on everything.

And lightning storm doing less damage than thunderbolt. Some spells would be useful if not for their 5 second cast time, like blizzard and firestorm. If they were 1 second cast time they really wouldn't be that bad.

Keep in mind that despite this I'm doing just fine. I utilize alchemy pots in order to dish out higher damage in tight spots, and I don't even want that to change. I hardly ever need to use potions, and I love alchemy, so I cherish situations that are tough enough to warrant use alchemy pots.

You wanna talk about no return damage. Pffft. My stealth archer can 1 shot ANYTHING. Should this poor thing not die, the second shot will without a doubt kill it. But the most important fact to note is, if I shoot from the right place the enemy can be standing literally right in front of me and not see me. My nose could be on their crotch and they would be none the wiser. I then have the option to poke them with my dagger.... nothing is walking away from that. And I can clear a crowded room without any of them ever knowing what the hell happened.

My mage ain't got it like that, he should... but he don't.

lolwut? Obviously they die fast. Let one catch you out of stealth so you lose that triple damage and they can actually land a spell on you. I promise it wont be underwhelming

Not really, all it takes is illusion and conjuration.

Illusion is ?reeeeediculous? and tagging anything else on, especially conjuration is beyond mental.


Bearing in mind any other classes need 4-6 trees minimum, I'd say the return from those two trees is off the charts.



If the poll is about destro, it needs wording so, but monoperking is foolish and ALL other 'overpowered' classes are not monoperked.

Exactly, spamming ice/fire/lighting bolts for what feels like forever is simply not fun.. and certainly not when you fight a group of enemies!

Noone said monoperking. what if you choose resto/speech/atleration/destro? You're just as screwed.


Anyways, even someone as biased as you must agree most destro spells svck mid-late game, including master ones. This is a problem.

I see, a bunch of 'waaaaaa I can not has teh nukez'.

There is no rational debate. You insist on comparing a Mage with one tree only vs other characters with many trees.


Edit: or a [censored] Mage vs smart other class.

I used only the archer skill on my last character and were doing fine! I could handle almost anything i came across!

But i am not looking for my mage to be ''overpowered'' i am simply looking for balance!

Well, THAT'S why you get this game for the pc!!!

So you didn't sneak, enchant, smith to improve weapons?

No armour? No crowd control?

Reeeeeeallly?

Well everyone doesn't have a gaming PC and THAT'S why they make it for consoles and pc... And THAT'S why they should make the game balanced BEFORE release...

Destro is a bit freaky, but mages are fine in the grand scheme.

I started mine as illu/conj with destro as a supplement, didn't ever need destro


I actually binned her because she was too good with no crafting and 'sensible' progression and shes a god

Sure i sneaked... i never really added anything important..
I never enchanted, never improved my weapons and i only used armor i found myself or got through quests...
And i am not quite sure what you mean with crowd control...

This is actually a very good point. People arguing destruction alone can svck if you don't use very specific and lucky gear and is heavily boosted by enchanting fortify . They play by their own self-restrictive set of rules and want to be able to blast through everything like a hyper-smithed dual wielder.

It'd be like me trying to play an illusion only mage, I'd have a pretty hard time with boss fights.

But NOT restricting yourself with these arbitrary rules such as this idea that destruction is the only mage tree, mages are downright stupid overpowered.

Illusion and conjuration alone turn you into nothing short of an invincible god. Mix in the rest of the spell schools and you become the destroyer of worlds.