Mages Guild and Necromancy Did the Mages Guild allow evil be

Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:20 pm

Necromancers in Oblivion attack you on sight because they are outcasts persecuted by the Empire. They view the PC as an enemy, because of the connection you have to the Empire. IMO.


You don't have a connection to the Empire unless you make one. Even if you joined the blades (which you didn't have to) they wouldn't know.
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Alexis Estrada
 
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:43 am

Who said they were dead? We only know that they've disappeared, and Yagrum proves to us that it is possible that they could have survived.


If you count being turned into skin for a robot living, then sure. ;)
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:57 pm

You don't have a connection to the Empire unless you make one. Even if you joined the blades (which you didn't have to) they wouldn't know.

You are connected to the Empire. Uriel allowed you to escape prison. He claims to see your destiny written in the stars and so forth. Interpret this anyway you like, but I feel you are connected to the Empire no matter what.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:47 pm

You are connected to the Empire. Uriel allowed you to escape prison. He claims to see your destiny written in the stars and so forth. Interpret this anyway you like, but I feel you are connected to the Empire no matter what.



Perhaps, but how do the necromancers know that?
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:05 am

How did the DB know? When your givin the Valen Dreth quest, the contracter(I forget who) comments on your escape from the prison. Maybe the necromancers have an informant in the mages guild that allows them to identify you. IMO
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:18 am

How did the DB know? When your givin the Valen Dreth quest, the contracter(I forget who) comments on your escape from the prison. Maybe the necromancers have an informant in the mages guild that allows them to identify you. IMO



Or that fact that all necromancers attack you on sight is simply game mechanics.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:15 am

Or that fact that all necromancers attack you on sight is simply game mechanics.

Very true. I just like to make things complex. Alot can be easily explained through game mechanics.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:26 pm

Or that fact that all necromancers attack you on sight is simply game mechanics.


Very poor mechanics at that. Necromancers are supposed to be persecuted by the government, right? Than attacking every random bypaser isn't a very bright idea as it contradicts what they should be doing, which is laying low. And if the Necromancers were really so smart (and they were) shoudn't they havebeen looking for legal means to ammend the ban on Necromancy?
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:19 am

Very poor mechanics at that. Necromancers are supposed to be persecuted by the government, right? Than attacking every random bypaser isn't a very bright idea as it contradicts what they should be doing, which is laying low. And if the Necromancers were really so smart (and they were) shoudn't they havebeen looking for legal means to ammend the ban on Necromancy?

They are not supposed to be persecuted by the government, Necromancy is legal. Well, except in Morrowind.

Butt still, if you happened to walk into their cave, where they are laying low, attacking you would seem like quite "realistic" action for a frightened magician. Like with Morrowinds Daedra worshippers.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:41 am

They are not supposed to be persecuted by the government, Necromancy is legal. Well, except in Morrowind.

Butt still, if you happened to walk into their cave, where they are laying low, attacking you would seem like quite "realistic" action for a frightened magician. Like with Morrowinds Daedra worshippers.

Yes, but they are still outcasts. I agree that it is realistic to attack on sight due to this fact. The necromancers might as well be persecuted by the Empire because Oblivion doesn't do much to sway that theory. I know it is only Traven who has spoken out against necromancy, not the Empire, but the necromancers are all alone in Cyrodiil. They have no allies but themselves.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:44 pm

They are not supposed to be persecuted by the government, Necromancy is legal. Well, except in Morrowind.

Butt still, if you happened to walk into their cave, where they are laying low, attacking you would seem like quite "realistic" action for a frightened magician. Like with Morrowinds Daedra worshippers.

I'm convinced that they attack to acquire more corpses.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:14 am

I'm convinced that they attack to acquire more corpses.

Mabey,they are attacking cause they think you might turn them in or something.Or it could be they are scared of Mages guild attacks. :flamethrower:
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:43 pm

No, they just summon bonewalkers and soul trap 1 point on target.
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Andrew
 
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:56 pm

I doubt they attack out of fear. Necromancy itself isn't illegal, and the Mages Guild doesn't actively try to kill necromancers. At least not until after the necromancers started to attack the Mages Guild.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:43 pm

I find this page biased most necromancers are just curious and not really evil...

Ps. The god of worms is not dead yet lol.

And i think the guild should allow necroamncy agi...

Wait, what was that noise, By the king of worms they've tracked me down *Teleports out of lair as fireball lies over my head narrowly missing me*
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:54 am

I attribute the attack on sight bad mechanics, but some of them attacking may view you as a bandit, that just happen to walk inside your home. And hey, since no one likes bandits or marauders, they attack. Or, they're extremely paranoid. And with that one quest with the inn, well obviously since a bounty was put on her, she and her buddies were trying to defend themselves, because people's fears, superstitions, and ignorance caused the peasants at the inn to be outright hostile to that necromancer. All she really seemed to do was summon undead, and perhaps scare a person or two.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:56 am

I'm convinced that the Necromancers, at least the ones in the matching black robes, are hiding because they're up to no good. They're loyal to Mannimarco, and therefore have no qualms about getting more corpses through killing.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:19 pm

I find this page biased most necromancers are just curious and not really evil...

Ps. The god of worms is not dead yet lol.

And i think the guild should allow necroamncy agi...

Wait, what was that noise, By the king of worms they've tracked me down *Teleports out of lair as fireball lies over my head narrowly missing me*


What the?

Necromancers shouldn't attack you on sight. Bethesda just got lazy.

Wait, what was that noise? By the prince of madness, they've tracked me down! *Teleports out of lair as volley of arrows (Marked "Property of Bethesda") flies over my head, narrowly missing me.*
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:29 am

I'm convinced that the Necromancers, at least the ones in the matching black robes, are hiding because they're up to no good. They're loyal to Mannimarco, and therefore have no qualms about getting more corpses through killing.

Logical. It could be that they kill on sight for many reasons though. It might not just be one of these ideas it could be multiple reasons why. They could see you as a threat, they could know your ties to the mages guild, they could assume your trespassing, they could just be that evil where they kill anything alive, they could be collectiong corpses, or it could be any number of those at once. IMO.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:22 pm

Logical. It could be that they kill on sight for many reasons though. It might not just be one of these ideas it could be multiple reasons why. They could see you as a threat, they could know your ties to the mages guild, they could assume your trespassing, they could just be that evil where they kill anything alive, they could be collectiong corpses, or it could be any number of those at once. IMO.

But the Mages Guild didn't kill necromancers until after the Necromancers attacked in the MG storyline. At first, they simply refused to associate with the necromancers.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:25 pm

But the Mages Guild didn't kill necromancers until after the Necromancers attacked in the MG storyline. At first, they simply refused to associate with the necromancers.

I know, but if you were in the mages guild before Traven took over, and you regularly practiced necromancy, and then were forced into exile due to your beliefs, is it possible you would attack the guild that persecutes you and your way of living? I probably would. IMHO
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:01 am

Whats so evil about raising dead bodies?! Its not like when you die you stay within your body. You got no use for it anymore. As for summoning anothers soul, well its their fault that they didn't study magic to the point of protecting their soul after death. Whats so evil about that? I'll tell you what is evil, commoners who don't do anything for themselves. THEY ARE EVIL! Mannimarco is good. He wants all mortals to one day be god like beings like he is. Necromancy is the path of immortality. Necromancy is the path of godhood. How can that be evil? How?
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:42 pm

Whats so evil about raising dead bodies?! Its not like when you die you stay within your body. You got no use for it anymore. As for summoning anothers soul, well its their fault that they didn't study magic to the point of protecting their soul after death. Whats so evil about that? I'll tell you what is evil, commoners who don't do anything for themselves. THEY ARE EVIL! Mannimarco is good. He wants all mortals to one day be god like beings like he is. Necromancy is the path of immortality. Necromancy is the path of godhood. How can that be evil? How?

Agreed. Plus if you think about it this can be compared to the Cold War. Is communism really evil no. It just seemed evil to us at the time because the other superpower was communist and was very different from us. In this case the Mages guild sees necromancers as evil because they are different and practice a less familiar type of magic. The mages guild feels threatened by them but all the same they really are just different and have their own ideas. Plus they are raising the dead for purposes of science. We do that in real life today except those bodies usually arent buried at all. If raising bodies is evil it is evil when people are looting the graves. In other words grave robbers are the evil ones not the necromancers. Mannimarco seems pretty evil and probably is but he doesnt speak for all necromancers just himself and his followers.
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:11 pm

If i remember correctly, Archmage Traven put his soul in a collosal black soulgem for you didn't he. Wouldn't the player technically be a necromancer to ? Since he soultrapped a Human being in order to be powerfull enough to kill a certain high priest of maggots. and wouldn't that make the PC inherrently evil? damn there must be some flaw in this reasoning because the manual clearly states that the PC is the good hero who saves the empire...
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Post » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:42 am

If i remember correctly, Archmage Traven put his soul in a collosal black soulgem for you didn't he. Wouldn't the player technically be a necromancer to ? Since he soultrapped a Human being in order to be powerfull enough to kill a certain high priest of maggots. and wouldn't that make the PC inherrently evil? damn there must be some flaw in this reasoning because the manual clearly states that the PC is the good hero who saves the empire...


No. The PC is always a blank slate.
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