If more generic means more fun then so be it...

Couldn't disagree more, it looks nothing like Fable 3. It looks great.

The Spellmaking made it unique? It just added new effects to old animations. And it would not even be necessary to create your own spells if the "Normal Ones" do not were soo weak.

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I dont really care about graphics, I care about what a spell does
The removal of spellmaking and to a lesser degree the removal of attributes have completely stunted spellmaking.
It is a mathematical impossibility that the new system is as varied, compex and customisable as the old one.

The magic has been removed from TES.

Correction: The Microsoft Excell flowcharting has been removed from TES.

Your concept of magic.
And how a "10 Fire Damage in Touch for two seconds + Calm for three seconds" (And other kinds of "magical combinations") felt like magic? They were just a bunch of numbers that you needed to combine in a Spellmaking Altar.
For me (And yeah, I know that this is just my opinion) the magic system now seems more magical, with the spells getting stronger while you get stronger and not "getting stronger while you is able to do a good combination at a Spellmaking Altar."

Such nonsense.

As if there is any other feasable way to provide the sheer power of spellmaking than by letting you customise all the variables, exactly as the spreadsheet did.
What is wrong with the spreadsheet anyway?
I liked it.

It was wizardly.
Of course a wizard can make a spell that does 9 pts of damage instead of 10 should he so wish.
Thats what being a wizard is about, studying the arcane and coming up with new ways to utilise magic.
Now I have been demoted to an apprentice.

No longer can I combine up to eight effects, I cant even combine two.
And what if I want to cast waterwalk on touch? Can we even with the new system?
Im betting we cannot.
No longer can I name my own spells that fit my roleplay, now I have to cast a generic fireball.

Bah.

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None taken, it's just that in anticipation for a new TES game you kind of hope for (I hate this phrase but I'm about to use it) 'wow-factor.' I have been 'wowed' at just about everything else in the game from what I've seen so far...just didn't find the magic visuals particularly interesting. at all. Just felt generic as other people have said and other than that I have no issues and really cannot wait for 11 11 11 as I have been a TES fan since Morrowind and was on the bandwagon long before all the OBleivers jumped on but I figured that these forums where the place to voice such opinions.

You can still have a different spell in each hand, which I think is nice, and who knows of possible combo's that will be available.

Then there is the perks n skill tree, which isn't spell making but does cater to some customizing of spells, which is by far more than Fable spell set had.

I kinda get the bioshock feel (great game), but with a larger arsenal and customization of spells.

Your not demoted to apprentice? There are various type of changes n perks you can learn, ie for fire: flame thrower type, to fire trap, to fire ball etc, and who knows what else. Showing a greater degree of control of power.

It's not the same , but I want to try it first before I judge.

An awful lot of people seem to be okay with elements copying different games. A lot of remarks about comparing TES magic system to Bioshock.

I don't get people that don't mind the systems being practically copies of systems from various different games, but they get emotionally heated over the idea of TES copying over its own systems from previous games. So we're just going to end up with an amalgamation of concepts from a variety of games. That's hardly unique or creative. I like originality. I'd rather see them come up with something entirely new than copying a little from here, a little from there.

Perks have potential for nice features, I have to admit that.

The dual of wielding of spells is just that though, spells of different effect do not combine.
You need a perk to be able to combine spells of the same effect.

I believe I am demoted.
I can no longer name my spells, I can no longer tweak or combine spells to my desire.

I've never seen a Beth game go for creativity and originality... no, not even Morrowind

If another game element is good to TES then why not get ideas from it? Even trough it does look like Bioshock, Skyrim will be amazingly different and unique. (If not by the magic system itself, that I think it will, then just by the different effects and combos)

And after all, what is TES if not a Doom with D&D elements in the first place? (Specially Arena and Daggerfall, both great games)

No, it wasn't wizardly, quite the exact opposite. It was mathy.
Now Spellcasters are mages, not mathematicians.

Still, casting water walk on a companion could be quite useful.

If you cast a fire spell on someone, they will take damage over time. At the same time cast a frost spell on them, and their fatigue gets drained and they slow down. Will those effects not happen at the same time on the enemy, and therefore combine?

Magic used to be a science.
Now there is no difference between Bioshocks plasmids, Marvels mutant powers or any other generic bolt of light that every game has.
Where is the creativity? Where is the customisation, the choice?
All gone in favour of gimmicks and graphic flash.

Actual, real content has been removed because the package needed to look better and it is undefendable.

Exactly, is not because you cannot use both at the exact same time that it is impossible to use both.

Or more blatantly, Battlespire... complete with "Hell breaks loose when you arrive at your orbital training ground" plot.

Yes, but the spells do not combine.
You have to twiddle buttons and hope for the best, you cannot preset the power of the spell.

Plus that it is now entirely possible for your secondary effect to miss the target.

Never mind that the old system let you combine eight effects into one spell.
Now we may be able to fire two effects simultaneously, but only one effect per spell.

I disagree with your assertion that Magic, a mystical, arcane force, is a science (Urg... I'm sick of dissecting frogs!)

Instead, I've always treated magic as an "Anti-science" in the sense that "Science is trying to figure out how the world works, and learning the laws that govern it", while magic is "Bending the laws of the world to do what I want it too, regardless of what's physically possible."


What makes you think you can't fire off both spells at once? One equipped to one hand, the other equipped to the other: Point both palms forward, pull both triggers, blast away.

In Tamriel, magic is a science.
It performs the role of physics in our world.

Why did I have to go out of my way to a special altar to create a spell? That didn't seem so magical to me. If I wanted to use a stronger fire spell, or drain someone's fatigue, why couldn't I do it on the spot? Why did I have to create a bunch of set spells that had no flexibility? Spell creation should be in the game, but not the way it was. You should be able to use whatever kind of magic you are able to use on the spot.