Who cares if it's similar to Fable? It's a good system. That's all that matters.

What makes you think you can't fire off both spells at once? One equipped to one hand, the other equipped to the other: Point both palms forward, pull both triggers, blast away.

Yes, but the spells do not combine.
You have to twiddle buttons and hope for the best, you cannot preset the power of the spell.

Plus that it is now entirely possible for your secondary effect to miss the target.

Never mind that the old system let you combine eight effects into one spell.
Now we may be able to fire two effects simultaneously, but only one effect per spell.

I think the problem is that, unlike the inclusion of Marraige, which is an immersion increasing social feature that Fable games had but Elder Scrolls lacked, the changes in the spell system are a step down, because Spellmaking was removed for the dual wielding. If all the spellmaking options were still in place, it would be fine. Especially if you could cast tailored spells from each hand. As it is however, there is very good reason to believe that the effectiveness and potency of magic have been significintly diminished, but with polished, fancy effects that serve in helping to distract people from what they have lost.

In Tamriel, magic is a science.
It performs the role of physics in our world.

Wasn't it already confirmed you can't combine spells unless there the same spell?

I've never seen a Beth game go for creativity and originality... no, not even Morrowind

I think the problem is that, unlike the inclusion of Marraige, which is an immersion increasing social feature that Fable games had but Elder Scrolls lacked, the changes in the spell system are a step down, because Spellmaking was removed for the dual wielding. If all the spellmaking options were still in place, it would be fine. Especially if you could cast tailored spells from each hand. As it is however, there is very good reason to believe that the effectiveness and potency of magic have been significintly diminished, but with polished, fancy effects that serve in helping to distract people from what they have lost.

Arena and Daggerfall both were highly creative and had many original elements, one reason Bethesda is even on the map today. Morrowind still had quite a lot going for it, but it was definitely a turning point for the franchise. Oblivion definitely started going in this direction, and Skyrim further still.

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First topic posted in several years...


After watching some of the gameplay demo involving magicka and what not...I couldn't help but feel disappointed that felt alot like watching somebody throw magic around in fable 3...

I'm not saying anything bad about fable 3 (in this post)...but watching that just made me a little down about recognising similarities to another game.


On another note...that magicka effects on npc's looked way too similar to OB's for my liking...

any thoughts?

BTW I am still super pumped for Skyrim - have been since the days of Jiub on that leaky old prison boat long ago...

Call it annoyance, and I apologize for going a bit overboard. but really, not everything has to be about spellmaking.
I would prefer to read through a thread about magic without having to see either of your two avatars followed by a subsequent redirection of the whole discussion. it gets old after a few times. after about 40, it's way past old

The dual of wielding of spells is just that though, spells of different effect do not combine.

Not every combination works but they confirmed you can combine multiple spells at once of different type. I believe an example was Circle of Protection + Lightning = enemies getting zapped as they get pushed away.

By all means it seems more akin to Bioshock's Plasmids than Fable 3.

Apology accepted.
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The reason for that is that TES magic for me is spellmaking. That is the long and short of it.

I suppose I could refrain from posting on threads about magic alltogether but it is an important issue to me.
Spellmaking is what got me into TES in the first place and I find the removal unfathomable.
Sorry if it gets old.

Oh, for pete's freaking sake. Xarnac and Merari, will you please SHUT THE **** UP ABOUT SPELLMAKING ALREADY!!!!!
Geez, we get it: you aren't happy about iit's removal. But do you have to come in and make spellmaking the focus of half of every single magic thread?
let's discuss something else on the subject of magic in TES. PLEASE. IT'S GETTING OLD

OT: I think that the new system could prove to be very interesting, especially when the AI uses it. Since it's supposed to be smarter, mages should be capable of more than just two styles(either summon something, draw weapon and attack with it, or spam magic in your general direction, run away, and heal whenever necessary). especially now that magic seems to have a new set of tactical choices.
You've got trap spells, short range spells, long range spells, large AoE spells, and possibly touch spells(not sure if there's been news on that, but I won't speculate). Depending on what spells a mage has, the new system could really change how magic is used in game

And to the aforementioned posters, do NOT bring spellmaking into a response to that comment

Looks better than any magic I've seen in a game



Although you did go a bit overboard.. Xarnac is a bit [censored]y isn't he?

Apology accepted.
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The reason for that is that TES magic for me is spellmaking. That is the long and short of it.

I suppose I could refrain from posting on threads about magic alltogether but it is an important issue to me.
Spellmaking is what got me into TES in the first place and I find the removal unfathomable.
Sorry if it gets old.