Magical Overhaul Mod compatability : IV

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:59 pm

Hi,

so...

I registered on the forums to ask a question:

is it ok to use supreme magicka, mighty magick, L.a.m.e, midas magic, pjs spell compendium and OOO?

Does anyone have experience using all of these in conjunction, if so what's the best load order?
im using the obmmanager too.., Yay Modding

also, is there any Reaaaaally cool mage armor?

Thanks!

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:26 pm

Yes. I only use SM and LAME together because I am anol about balance and consistency, and MM does not fit that bill. I suggest loading SM after LAME to preserve some balance with OOO, but if you want magic to be completely overpowered, go ahead with whatever.

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/loadorder <-- You should probably start learning about this now.

Edit: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1089759-relz-oscuros-oblivion-overhaul-133/page__view__findpost__p__15911694

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:46 pm

Yes. I only use SM and LAME together because I am anol about balance and consistency, and MM does not fit that bill. I suggest loading SM after LAME to preserve some balance with OOO, but if you want magic to be completely overpowered, go ahead with whatever.

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/loadorder <-- You should probably start learning about this now.

Edit: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1089759-relz-oscuros-oblivion-overhaul-133/page__view__findpost__p__15911694

Hey, thanks a lot for the speedy reply.

I was thinking of something like this: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19595
for mage armor, got any more like that ?

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:52 pm

You missed one from the list. Midas Magic - Spells of Aurum. It's the followup from mighty magic and is not so overpowered

It's also THE most popular mod ever on Nexus!

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:22 pm

I did not miss it. I just did not add a link to it. I do not use that mod, and it is not more of a magic-adding mod than an overhaul. It is still quite powerful, even though it is not as powerful as the original.

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:31 pm

You missed one from the list. Midas Magic - Spells of Aurum. It's the followup from mighty magic and is not so overpowered

It's also THE most popular mod ever on Nexus!

yeah, i'm using it, it seems awesome

by the way, i'm also using 'Oblivion xp v415', do you know it?
do you know if you can adjust the xp you gain from killing mobs, because im currently getting 1xp from all mobs, but i really like the system of... manually leveling up.
do you think it has something to do with OOO etc? ty.

edit: hey, so if i use midas magic, do i not need to use mighty magic, is everything from the latter included in the former?

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:22 pm

yeah, i'm using it, it seems awesome

by the way, i'm also using 'Oblivion xp v415', do you know it?
do you know if you can adjust the xp you gain from killing mobs, because im currently getting 1xp from all mobs, but i really like the system of... manually leveling up.
do you think it has something to do with OOO etc? ty.

There is an OOO patch for that mod, right? OOO should not otherwise have anything to do with that mod's functionality.

Edit: I do not know how "official" this is: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23829. I suggest posting in the Oblivion XP thread instead...

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:35 pm

There is an OOO patch for that mod, right? OOO should not otherwise have anything to do with that mod's functionality.

Edit: I do not know how "official" this is: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23829. I suggest posting in the Oblivion XP thread instead...

Hey, thanks for being so helpful!

do you think you could post me your load order/ mod selection?

im still scouring the net for some good 'uns

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:27 am

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/lists/mybainlist
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/lists/myloadorder
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/downloadmods/tesnexus
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/downloadmods
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/installmods/aestheticoverhaulinstallorder
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/lists/specificlists
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/lists/utilities
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1090776-plugins-that-improves-the-graphic-quality-of-tes-iv/

Don't forget to check the "Related Pages" and "Related Resources" sections (at the bottom of the page) for more help and info.

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:37 am

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/lists/mybainlist
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/lists/myloadorder
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/downloadmods/tesnexus
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/downloadmods
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/installmods/aestheticoverhaulinstallorder
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/lists/specificlists
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/lists/utilities
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1090776-plugins-that-improves-the-graphic-quality-of-tes-iv/

Don't forget to check the "Related Pages" and "Related Resources" sections (at the bottom of the page) for more help and info.

yay!

jackpot ;D

only thing now is i'm getting a crash/fatal error whenever i try to quit the game, which locks up my pc, so i have to put it to sleep/standby to get back into windows ^-^
you ever come across that?

im using an anti crash mod and streamline, its not ingame, and i was getting the crashes like that without any mods too.

Cheers.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:06 am

You can use (almost) everything together, but Mighty Magic doesn't work well with the other magic overhauls. It has a completely different spell system (at least the latest version) and the spell power is much, much higher than in any of the other mods too. So if you want some weird mix of spells and possibly bugs you can use all of these together, otherwise you should choose LAME and/or Supreme Magicka or Mighty Magic and any of the other mods you mentioned in combination (since those only add spells or make minor adjustments to the magic system that can easily be overriden).

You missed one from the list. Midas Magic - Spells of Aurum. It's the followup from mighty magic and is not so overpowered

It's also THE most popular mod ever on Nexus!

Midas Magic has nothing to do with Mighty Magic. It doesn't overhaul the default magic system and the author is not the same either. That's why it generally works well with other magic mods that do overhaul the system.

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:10 am

I refer to Midas Magic as MM, not Mighty Magick. I guess that is confusing...

@samuelthemule: Your load order is probably wrong, but a fatal error seems a bit much. What are your hardware specs? http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/troubleshooting/postlo too.

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:50 pm

by the way, i'm also using 'Oblivion xp v415', do you know it?
do you know if you can adjust the xp you gain from killing mobs, because im currently getting 1xp from all mobs, but i really like the system of... manually leveling up.
do you think it has something to do with OOO etc? ty.

edit: hey, so if i use midas magic, do i not need to use mighty magic, is everything from the latter included in the former?

Midas Magic and Mighty Magic are completely unrelated. I don't use Mighty Magic myself, there used to be some major bugs in the mod. I think there are different versions available now, but I haven't checked it out. I use Midas Magic, Lame and Supreme Magicka in that order.

As for your Oblivion XP problem... do you have OBSE installed? There are also two versions of the mod, one for OBSE 17 and one for OBSE 18, make sure you are using the correct one. You don't need that patch for OOO anymore. All it did was make it so OOO's quests give you XP, the latest version of the mod does this automatically.

Try http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22410 for your crash on exit.

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:44 pm

Midas Magic and Mighty Magic are completely unrelated. I don't use Mighty Magic myself, there used to be some major bugs in the mod. I think there are different versions available now, but I haven't checked it out. I use Midas Magic, Lame and Supreme Magicka in that order.

As for your Oblivion XP problem... do you have OBSE installed? There are also two versions of the mod, one for OBSE 17 and one for OBSE 18, make sure you are using the correct one. You don't need that patch for OOO anymore. All it did was make it so OOO's quests give you XP, the latest version of the mod does this automatically.

Try http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22410 for your crash on exit.

Here's the load order.

Just downloaded Fearsome magic, looks very groovy.

Thanks for the advice mcc84 too! installed fast exit, gonna try it now.

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
UnnecessaryViolence.esm
ScreenEffects.esm
HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp
TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
Symphony of Violence.esp
weather inside [seasons] v1.2.esp
IlluminationWithin.esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
ANB_Portable_Bedroll.esp
c_dragondagger.esp
DarkIllusionArmor.esp
That's so Nico v1.1.esp
Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp
Warglaives by Jojjo v1.0.esp
Thieves Arsenal.esp
EY_BM_Armory.esp
StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
ExnemEC_Rogue01.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp
OOO-DaedraLord_Quests.esp
OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp
OOO-Deadly_Combat.esp
OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp
OOO-Magic_Effects+Enchantments.esp
OOO-Magic_Effects+Spells.esp
OOO-Magic_Game_Settings.esp
OOO-Potions.esp
OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp
Nightshade_Armor.esp
BravilSeaDomesixpanded.esp
thievery.esp
Lynges Thieves Highway - OOO.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
Skill Perk Descriptions Enhancement.esp
RealisticFatigue.esp
RealisticForceMedium.esp
PJs Spell Compendium - Spell Requirements.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
SM Spell Leveller.esp
SM Spell Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
SM Spell Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
SM Spell Leveller - Night Eye.esp
SM Spell Leveller - OOO.esp
SM Spell Leveller - Shivering Isles.esp
SM Spell Leveller - SupremeMagicka.esp
SM Spell Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
MidasSpells.esp
attack and hide medium v2.0.esp
StealthOverhaul.esp
No psychic guards v1.2.esp
Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp
Oblivion XP.esp
_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
Elves Of Lineage II.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
[GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
Real Lava v1.2.esp
TheNexus.esp
IlluminationWithout.esp
Nicos Gift.esp
Duke Patricks - Double Arrow Nock Shot.esp
OOO Skill Rates-MM FIX.esp
Oblivion XP - OOO.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
Level_Rates_Modified_x2-MM FIX.esp
QTdof.esp
UnnecessaryViolence.esp

I've disabled mighty magic for now, as you seem to think it's not balanced and causes problems, the 4 magic mods im running will be more than enough anyway

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:49 am

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/outdatedmods Make sure you have the latest version of Harvest Flora (not the version bundled with OOO 1.33.) What are you not using that is included in OOO full, by the way?

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:25 pm

because of the armor mod, is there anything else in full worth having?
or a way to disable it?

wow.., so many mods, perhaps someone should make a multigig compilation of all the basic ones.., kinda like... ooo

but updated?

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:13 pm

because of the armor mod, is there anything else in full worth having?
or a way to disable it?

wow.., so many mods, perhaps someone should make a multigig compilation of all the basic ones.., kinda like... ooo

but updated?

First off, the answer to the second question is "let's drop that subject." I do not understand that first statement. What armor mod are you talking about?

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:08 pm

First off, the answer to the second question is "let's drop that subject." I do not understand that first statement. What armor mod are you talking about?

the 50% reduced light armor efficiency mod at mastery, and more encumberance on heavy armor.

and i meant the full install of ooo, are there any other mods or.., things im missing out on by installing the light version ?

» Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:10 am

the 50% reduced light armor efficiency mod at mastery, and more encumberance on heavy armor.

and i meant the full install of ooo, are there any other mods or.., things im missing out on by installing the light version ?

Yay Fast exit worked

so.., why aren't the modders getting paid?

i mean honestly, they're doing great work.

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:40 pm

Yes. See the http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/OOO/OOO_133_readme.pdf for the details. I think you can get around the armor perks by using another mod to handle your skills. I am thinking leveling mods, but there should be other mods to just handle the master perks.

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:13 pm

I did not miss it. I just did not add a link to it. I do not use that mod, and it is not more of a magic-adding mod than an overhaul. It is still quite powerful, even though it is not as powerful as the original.

I didn't mean you, and it wasn't even missed. Man I need my eye's testing. Or is it these night shifts.

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:51 pm

both

but you can do exercises for your eyes, which will make them better than they were before probably ;o

--

I've run into a slight problem.
i thought i finally had everything done,
and now when i try to start a new game, i get a crit error,
so i deactivated all my mods, and now it works, and im reactivating them in batches of 20, going for trial and error...

have you tried fearsome magic yet btw ?

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:31 pm

Yes. See the http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/OOO/OOO_133_readme.pdf for the details. I think you can get around the armor perks by using another mod to handle your skills. I am thinking leveling mods, but there should be other mods to just handle the master perks.

cant find the difference and in the readme it says " The Lite version contains only the core changes of Oscuro’s Oblivion Overhaul. It can be further customized by adding one or more plugins listed under Options Only for Lite below. Using the Lite version with all of the plugins mentioned there activated is the same as using only the Full version. The Lite version consists of two plugins. "

o_O

think i fixed the crash / bug though, was because i installed the xp mod before darnified ui, and it overwrote files it needed to work.

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:12 pm

Oh. Well, the Lite Version is not as uptodate, but you can grab the 1.33b LITE patch. It is linked on TESIV:POSItive > Downloading Mods. The Oblivion XP mod includes compatibility menu files for DarNified UI.

» Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:53 pm

Oh. Well, the Lite Version is not as uptodate, but you can grab the 1.33b LITE patch. It is linked on TESIV:POSItive > Downloading Mods. The Oblivion XP mod includes compatibility menu files for DarNified UI.

Cool, just downloaded it, by the way, do you use unnecessary violence?

i managed to make it work, but i got a weird green cloud with it, edit: ah, found the fix.

looks like i'm finally all set to go though, after a day of installing mods, heh.