I don't think its Akavir thats going to be the bad guy. I think it has something to do with who the current Emperor is and what his agenda is going to be and its probably something that the Nine Divines wouldn't approve of. We'll find out in a couple days hopefully.

Interesting, you played off the main story line of Oblivion as if it was simple and [censored] when in fact the Ka Po' tun attacking Tamriel just because they are tired of fighting the Tsaesci would be [censored]. There is much more to the Oblivion storyline. Mehrunes Dagon isn't trying to destroy Tamriel just to destroy it (though he likes it), he is trying to kill all the mortals so that Oblivion and Nirn can become one again so that he can rule over the original world once more.

As for the plot of Skyrim, I believe without a doubt it is an attack from Akavir once again since Akavir is the original home of the dragons. I think maybe the Tiger Dragon taught some of his people how to become a dragon also but I'm not banking on it. But one thing I am almost certain of, the threat comes from Akavir, whether it be the Tsaesci attacking and the dragons attacking also or what.

But Dragons in Akavir are extinct...

And where do the Grey Beards fit in this? or the fact that the Ka'po'tun which have never been seen in Tamriel have anything to do with the Dragonborn to the extent that they are scared of him? everytime someone says Akavir they think the Tiger people headed by a Tiger Dragon when really its 4 races, 2 of which have a light alliance against 2 enemies who are not allied but will keep the Tang'mo and Ka'to'tun occupied. in addition to Akavir being 4000 miles away doesn't fit with the "They are already hear" and "They have awakened' bit and since the only truely intimate Akavir involment with the Empire and Skyrim would be the Tsaeci, who do not fit the bill with regards to all the emphasis on fire and Dragons in Tamriel.

I have no issue with an Akavir invasion...just peoples reasonings that it is.

With the advent of the Deciphered message on the back of the GI cover, can we close this up and lay to rest this notion? it seems Cipher 8 was far more closer than everyone thought. and this? thankfully not so

Why are you so eager to close this thread. Let it be. The message only mentiones Akatosh, but does not give detailed info on the main quest. It could still be an Akaviri invasion with Akatosh pulling the strings.

With Akatosh's intentions he does not need an Army to conquer the very people he made a pact with...

Absolutly no evidence of this, none at all, in fact contradicted me the new cover

I find it highly doubtful, unless there was kind of some mini side quest or it was released as DLC (that would be pretty cool).

Who said conquer? Alduin is just the chief villain, he have others under him (and they aren't necessary dragons). Morrowind and Oblivion were setup exactly the same way. Chief: Dagoth Ur and Dagon. Followers: Sixth House and Mythic Dawn.


It was suggested before by Micheal Kirkbride that Tosh Raka might be a mantler of Akatosh, what if he was actually a mantler of Alduin?

OK first off, theres only One of FOUR Akaviri races that have anything to do with dragons (Snake, Monkey, Demon, Tiger) And thats just because at one point they had a leader who became one.... thats ONE dragon. And even then its not clear if its meant as a metaphor or not. Actual Dragons, are extinct in Akavir. Just as they are in Tamriel.

Also, why would they target Skyrim?????? It wouldn't be their first invasion, and with Morrowind in its current state they'd have a pretty clear shot at the heart of the empire for once.


Besides I can't help but think spending the game fighting Akaviri races would get bothersome.


There was a thread on a very complete and interesting theory about Akatosh no longer being bound to protect the empire and wanting to escape Nirn, if only I could find it again....


EDIT: Found it.
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1152130-the-story-behind-skyrim-v20/

Now that is one logical, backed up, and sensible theory.

I brought up the morrowind bit before, someone stated the Akavir would just attack the same route as they did before, through Skyrim.....the Ka'po'tun have no Idea what Tamriel looks like, its 4000 miles away, attacks between continents are extremely taxing as stated from the Book Disaster at Ionith, the Tsaeci were able to attack Tamriel, defend against an Imperial incursion while still supposedly fighting the Ka'po'tun and Tang'Mo so the notion that they are defeated giving the Ka'po'tun a chance to attack Tamriel is called into question. also since the statement "they are already here" and "they have awakened" slaugthers any thoughts about The -Ka'po'tun- since they have never been in Tamriel, and the -Tsaeci- one of only 2 races to attack Tamriel from akavir helped FOUND the base of the Current Empire.

I wouln't be so torch in hand if the participants that advocated the Akaviri invasion weren't so absolute, with limited information that has faults :sadvaultboy:

MK-{OmegaX} there is no statement about "they have awakened". I'm not sure where you picked that up, but it's not in the dialog in the trailer and not in the "prayer" from Game Informer.

hmmm wonder where did I hear it from :confused: must been something with my older posts. The Trailer keeps saying -They- recalling an element beyond one entity (Akatosh) insinuating a force or a group, might be the group Cipher was talking about in his speculations but generally I figured this was a group who were ever present, just in hiding/ waiting. aye I concede that was a statement made of mine. apologies

Alduin is a dragon...
He devours the world.
Akavir is part of the world, the world being Nirn...

So I really doubt Akavir will help destroy themselves and everything else...

Alduin is Nordic for Akatosh, same as Auriel(Spelling) is merish for Akatosh.

Nords do not like Akatosh

Neither do Dunmers actually.

People keep saying the Aedra are good and the Daedra are bad. Its been said in about every piece of lore, neither are good or bad. The Daedra arent part of Nirn and do pretty much what they want, you can't count on them to be "good" or "bad" they just.. do what they do.

The Aedra got trapped in Nirn by Lorkhan. Being trapped there with no hope of escaping, its only logical that they would at least keep at tending to their creations. But give them a way out?.... You might just have the apocalypse in your hands.

Well, it is where they hit last time, and that didn't go so bad. Also, it isn't clear that red dragons are extinct on Akavir, just black. It also isn't so clear that they're "extinct" on Tamriel. Likewise, we don't really know when the game is set. My suspicion is that it is almost immediately after the events of TES IV, before the books, in which case, Morrowind is doing relatively well under House Hlaalu. The loss of Vivec, the disapearance of blight, and the outlawing of slavery probably had about a net neutral effect on the near term.

Also, Morrowind is surrounded by mountains, any invasion through it, would most likely have go go around them anyway, i.e. through Skyrim. Were there an Akaviri invasion, it could very well be lead by the Neverine, which could march through Morrowind without even the slightest of resistance, making it a boring setting.

That said, we have absolutely no reason to believe their is an Akaviri invasion, and an Akaviri invasion headed by Akatosh would make no sense according to the God/follower scheme, as Akatosh already has the entire imperial army/clergy as followers, and has for the past couple millennia.

Game takes place 200 years after Oblivion. Or at least its what was said when "The Infernal City" came out.

Also Skyrim has just as many mountains as Morrowind. No?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-23-rumour-elder-scrolls-5-in-the-works

Maybe this article could help. I don't know if this is accurate information, but notice the part where he mentions "dragon lord"

Though I agree with you, trapped is an odd word here. Magnus, and thousands of other Aedra were able to leave. The more powerful Aedra likely would've been able to as well. The Mer, as descendants of Aedra, are indeed trapped (Except Dwemner apparently, who were able to travel to "outer planes" at the time of their fall), for the most part against their will, but they're hardly going to take revenge. Some Aedra apparently chose to stay, though most of them died (Worldbones/planets).

Akatosh had a reputation for leading Aedra from one world to the next, as each world "expired" as it were. Nirn was created (or at least he thought, Lorkhan may have corrupted the plan a bit) as a world in which he didn't have to bother because it stayed, and didn't die like worlds before it. But his leading Aedra from one world to the next aspect probably gave rise to his god of time/destroyer/creator aspects. It does make sense to predict that, with his bond broken, he wishes to move on.

Random theory: It is in Aedra's nature to only stay in a place for a time, which is why we see supposed gods dying in Nirn, because these aspects of them fade, and new ones arise. It on the other hand, is in Daedra's nature to stay static, to surround themselves with more aspects of themselves, mostly isolated, and enjoy playing with the toys inside themselves/their plane. Nirn is in a very real way Lorkhan's realm of Oblivion, but a realm, partially intentionally, pre-empted by Aedra, who wanted to avoid the losses of moving from one existance to another. He presumably wanted to add to his own power by absorbing Aedra into himself in one realm that was a combination of their existances, but mostly his, but he also could've been somewhat sincere in his offer to give t hem a place to stay inside of himself, although he didn't tell them the details. When the Aedra moved in and constructed the world, they eventually realized what the plane was, so, at the meeting in the white gold tower, they came to a decision. That they would punish/kill/cut into three, Lorkhan, that some could leave, but that the rest would stay, and attempt to make the best of the permanent world they now had. Since then, Lorkhan tried to make some aspect of himself whole again, the more powerful aedra have looked after the mer and their cultural descendants, but may have realized their nature, and consider it time to move on (which would destroy at least some aspect of Nirn). It is possible they'd be willing to take mer/Bretons with them, but not humans, which were created by Lorkhan, and are basically his lesser daedra.

Sidenote: Random conjecture, but if the above is correct, and Lorkhan were restored, then men would become immortal, much like lesser daedra are immortal. This also corresponds with the Nordish myths about Akatosh stealing away years.

Infernal city is stated to have taken place 40 years after Oblivion, and thats even if Skyrim took place before then.

The poem names alduin as the chief villain, alduin in Nordic lore is basically the evil version of akatosh who destroys the world through fire. The line "black wings" indicates he is also a tamrielic black dragon not an extinct akavir red dragon. So no akavir invasion.

So assuming Story is Alduin has returned with X amount of henchman/cronies to once again destroy the world through flame and naturally, no-one really wants that to happen. So que dovahkiin to come and slay or stop Alduin from doing this (and maybe stopping skyrims civil war in the process).

It's probably based in skyrim since alduin appears after the Nordic brothers spill their blood and since he is part of skyrim mythology. The imperial Akatosh probably doesn't want to destroy Nirn. Skyrim would also logically make sense as a good place for the Tamriellic dragons to hide in after they were dissapeared with it's (assumingly) hostile enviroment and Many mountain ranges.

Alduin = Akatosh . its not a more evil duplicate version of it.

The Imperials call him Akatosh and placed him at the head of their pantheon.
The Nords fear his power.
The Dunmers don't give a rats *ss because they generally worship Daedras instead.

Are they literally the same being, or just two gods tied to the same aedric plane? We don't know exactly how these things work, although we do know that the last attempt to separate two aspects of a "god" (rather, two gods tied to the same mythic role/plane) failed and caused a Dragon Break. However, Shivering Isle suggests that it is possible (assuming it works the same with aedric and daedric realms) and that each aspect may have an independent consciousness.

Alduin and Akatosh are two sides of the same coin.

Whilst imperial religion sees Akatosh as a benevolent deity of time or whatever the Norse interpretation is of a seemingly malevolent deity who destroys the world in order to bring in a new one as Norse mythology says has happened before.