Thank you. Drop the while Akaviri thing, shoot, Nerevarine is ambassador to them, don't ya think he'd somehow prevent it?

See http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akavir: "According to rumors in Oblivion, the Nerevarine went on an expedition to Akavir, but has not been heard from since."

Even if it was a diplomatic mission, not being able to hear from him is problematic.

I hope that the dragons are not the main antagonists, but are instead a deus ex machina to protect against an army of powerful invaders looking to take advantage of the political upheaval in Tamriel -- Akavir is the most plausible option, and all the foreshadowing has suggested an eventual invasion. Really, though, I just don't want them to release a game with a few powerful dragons as antagonists right around the same time as Guild Wars 2, you know?

EDIT: I mean the trailer showed dragons killing a bunch of people, but it didn't ever say that those people were the good guys...

No form of Deus Ex Machina is a good thing to include in a story, and just detracts from the overall believability, no matter what 'prophecy' and 'fate' say, no Deus Ex Machina for me thank you very much.

Well, if we are to assume that dragons are a major enemy, who is allied with dragons in TES lore?

Since Akivir invaded Tamriel before, it would make sense to do it again, but this time...with DRAGONS.

It's because Dragons are awesome.

Also, they have an excuse. This game world has been around for nearly 20 years now, IIRC. They can have dragons if they damn well please.

While the OPs 100% confidence in this and originally saying it he had a 'source' that 'proved' it is a bit ridiculous, I think it will most likely be an Akaviri invasion as well.

The lore says all the red dragons in Akavir were killed and the black ones fled to Po Tun and then were killed. Next thing you know, Tosh Raka is a dragon. I reckon survived and either they replaced him pretending to be him transformed or they used theirmystic dragon knowledge to help him achieve this and are working in unison. The Akaviri history is so limited, it's no stretch to believe that it would be wrong at points, especially if the dragons were kept secret from those outside of the Po Tun empire. They've already said once they defeat the Tsaesci they will invade Tamriel, and Morrowind is basically wrecked by now, so Skyrim is the opportune place to start. And that is why Ka' Po' Tun could be the invaders and still make sense for it to be 'dragons'.

I'm so jealous that my Morrowind character got to go to Akavir... =/

You make a good point. I misused the term. I guess the phrase I was looking for was "secret weapon" -- something that implies they're deliberately being set loose by player agency, not just a means for the writers to bail you out of a hopeless situation.

Like "The Akaviri are invading and happen to be hella advanced and equipped. We're doomed! But wait? What if it was possible to free the dragons from their imprisonment by the Greybeards? Sure, they were put away for a damn good reason and we might be unleashing a greater evil than the one we currently face, but the dragons probably have an old grudge against the invaders from when they were driven out of Akavir. It's a long shot, but it just might work!" That sort of thing. Then they could go either way with the story, either having you make common cause with the remnants of the invasion force to defeat the dragons that are now wrecking Skyrim, or having the dragons actually help you and leaving the question of their sudden but inevitable betrayal for a future time.

:confused: the trailer depicts nothing even remotely kin to anything from Akavir. the forces that invaded from akavir was VERY distinct, nothing but Tsaeci NOT KA'PO'TUN. it also states DRAGONS are Returning NOT snakemen....hopes that the Akaviri invading crap can drop dead, I have nothing against the fact. in all right I'd love to see some Akaviri action, but it isnt happening with what little we know.

Komodo Dragons would be interesting. Typical fantasy dragons would be boring. Heck, an invasion of Tiger-people would be awesome. Like every Bioware game has dragons in it..... I am so sick of them.

It'd be interesting to see an Akaviri invasion with Tosh Raka as Alduin, but if you ask me, it'd be waaaay too similar to Oblivion. I mean, what? The Ka Po Tun would be Skyrim's answer to the Dremora, enslaved Tsaesci prisoners of war as Skyrim's version of Spider Daedra etc etc... yawn.

And really, I can't believe people think the logo is somehow a clue. Look at Morrowind and Oblivion. They've got the same dragon emblem. Doesn't mean squat.

What? Why would it matter what Akavir race has invaded Tamriel in the past? This is set at some point AFTER Oblivion, most likely after the Infernal City story. And Akavir lore has Tosh Raka managing to turn himself into a dragon (he's the learder of Ka'Po'Tun as you probably knew) and leading the Ka'Po'Tun into a war, saying they will first defeat the Tsaesci and then invade Tamriel. Look it up. It's the dragon link that gives it the clue. Read my previous post in this topic.

Given that there are suggestions in the lore that the Blades were established by and tied to the Tsaesci, is it possible that they're the ones who encouraged the Akaviri invasion, not to destroy the Tamrielic empire, but to help reestablish it? The Akaviri soldiers could sow terror along the more rebellious provinces, forcing them to band together under Cyrodiil for protection, under an emperor chosen and influenced by the Blades/Tsaesci. Or is that a little too paranoid?

I know all about Tosh Raka, but you guys are staring way to hard as stated the Tsaeci (who have intimate history with Tamriel while Ka'po'tun: NONE) invaded and where the only ones to Invade. the trailer states "They have awakened" calling up an enemy we don't know about just yet, were as the Tsaeci are history book knowledge in the series. why people keep jumping on the Ka'po'tun is beyond me but the people of skyrim have never seen a Ka'po'tun period. the enemy in the trailer though obscure is rooted with Dragons and fire, whatever you want to say about the Ka'po'tun becoming dragons is all fine and well. but they have NO history with Tamriel. and Dragons are a staple of the Empire so the Dragon link is mute its been on the Hardcover of morrowind for sanity sakes.

This is true. Plus, if you pay attention to the trailer, at one point, one of the people mentions how people did not want to to believe they existed, or something like that. And people seem to widely accept the existence of Akavir. My guess is that it's a lesser known threat, or you know, maybe one we don't know about at all. You know, Bethesda CAN do no things in the seires, they don't have to only use old ideas. After all, I haven't seen any mention of the Sixth House before Morrowind and I seem to recall that Dagoth Ur was just the same of a ruin on Vvardenfell back in the days of Arena. But from the trailer it does sound like some old threat that was once defeated is returning, and the trailer doesn't name that threat. It doesn't necessarily mean its an invasion as invasion usually implies an external threat is attacking. Morrowind did not have an invasion because the Sixth House was a threat from within Morrowind, not from the outside, until we know the source of the current threat, we can't say if it's an invasion or not.



And when did the trailer say it was dragons returning? The only place the world "dragon" shows up in the trailer is when "Dragonborn" is mentioned. We do see a dragon in the trailer, yes, but that doesn't necessarily means they're the ones invading. The theory that the enemy is dragons seems to just be something coined by some fans, and one I don't buy for the same reason that I don't believe or enemies are from Akavir, plus I don't recall anyone in Tamriel ever defeating dragons, not dragons as a whole, anyway.



The trailer states that they're returning and that "Their defeat was only a delay". I don't know about you, but when I hear that, I think of a threat that Tamriel has faced before, not necessarily a threat we know about in existing lore, mind you. But since Tsaesci are the Akaviri race known to have invaded Tamriel, we can probably assume that IF it's an Akaviri invasion, Tsaesci are probably the ones invading. Keep in mind I put emphasis on "if" because I'm not convinced by the Akavir theory.



I'd actually say elves are a lame, outdated idea, yet the Elder Scrolls is crawling with them, by comparison, dragons may be cliche, but still have some degree of appeal to me, elves are just boring and I wish people would at least TRY to come up with more creative fantasy races.

And dragons have been part of the Elder Scrolls world for a long time now, it's just that aside from one in Redguard and a convenient deus ex machina at the end of Oblivion that took the form of dragons, we've never really seen them make an appearance in the games before. My guess is because Bethesda wasn't confident they could do them justice, but with their new engine, they feel they can do so.

Either that, or while planning for Skyrim, Bethesda just realized that they hadn't really done dragons much in past games, and fantasy fans seem to like them, and just figured "Hey, we might as well." Either one seems to work.

Personally I hope it has nothing at all to do with Akavir. I'm tired of asian-themed things in every game, katanas, ninjas, samurai armor, and all the rest. It's never been a theme that has personally appealed to me, so I could certainly do without it.

I'm hoping for it to be a civil war with the option to choose sides and optionally be involved with politics.

I'm tired of every work of western fantasy looking like Medieval Europe except with elves and magic shoved in myself. It's not supposed to be Earth, so why should it look like it? And if you MUST copy Earth cultures with fantasy elements tacked on, you can at least try to pretend your creative and do a culture that hasn't been done twelve thousand times in fantasy already. Not necessary Asian cultures because it's kind of cliche for otherwise European fantasy settings to have at least one culture with Asian (Usually Japanese to be specific, because you know, Asia is a pretty big place, and despite what popular culture might lead us to believe, it doesn't only consist of China, Japan and Korea.) influences too, but there are a wide range of cultures in the world, yet all too often, fantasy likes to limit itself to a narrow set of influences, but this is beside the point. We already know that Nords and Skyrim are supposed to have heavy Norse influences, so it would just be inconsistent if Bethesda decided to change that just to avoid lookling cliche.



The trailer seems to imply there is a civil war going on, but it also makes it clear tha there's some other threat as well, suggesting that the civil war will provide a background for a larger story. But right now, we can only speculate on how things will work out.

I'm honestly having trouble comprehending how someone can possibly miss something as blatant as it being dragons that are referred to as returning. This is worse than those folks who say they're not really dragons because they're made of stone in stone mural, or that what is clearly meant to represent the dragon breathing fire isn't really fire since they didn't color it.

For the part where it says "Nobody wanted to believe they even existed" I think that's reffering specifically to dragons, who have been gone so log they have reached almost mythical status.

And to those saying it's the Tsaesci, what links them to dragons?

i cant do anything but agree. considering all the old dragons were dead and the ones on this game appear to be hostile unlike the old dragons mmy fingers pointed towards the ka po tun who apparently learned how to become dragons... thyey wanted tot ake over the empire and when i read that short section years ago i knew there wuld be a game about it. because it sounds all too important to leave out. akavir is the most myserious and least talkeda bout land but it seems to be home to the most powerful races. So i knew they wuld eventually bring them up. and i think these dragons will be ka po tun. i actually had a post up about this befor ei think.

I just found an intersting note at the end of the book "Mysterious Akavir." The last sentence reads as follows:

"First," Tosh Raka says, "is that we kill all the vampire snakes." Then the Tiger-Dragon Emperor wants to invade Tamriel.

Which is certaintly an interesting turn considerign the fact that he is the own known dragon to exist. However, UESP calles the book "Inaccurate information about the continent Akavir." Does anyone have some insight on what content from that book is inaccurate?

That's just another brutal argument that support's my prediction.

What argument?

Oh, so I am ridiculous but still you think I am right. Thanks for insulting me.

The moment I found out that TES V is titled "Skyrim", something in my head just said "Akaviri invasion". Later on, a source did confirm that, but I am not allowed to disclose the source.