Oh, just wait and see...

Well I agree with you that it would be waaaay to similar to Oblivion but you have to understand that maybe Bethesda thinks that they have a golden recipe with Oblivion and they want to repeat it.

Another great argument to support my prediction.

An argument that Nerevarine went to Akavir and was never seen since.

Dude, without getting into how ridiculous you're making yourself sound (spoiler: really ridiculous), Please, please, PLEASE use the frakking multi-quote button.

Ok, thanks for the advice and insults. I would suggest that you PM me the next time you feel the need to tell me how to use the forum. Also, please stay on the thread topic.

Well, you probably should use the multiquote button. People generally look down on double, triple, and quadruple posting.

"No one wanted to believe they exist"


Like I said the only race to invade Tamriel from Akavir are the Tsaeci and they are intimately intertwined with the Empires History, throwing out whatever you guys think are the Ka'po'tun because essentially nothing is known about the Ka'po'tun in Tamriels History. so....

Their defeat was only a delay/ They have returned, and the emphasis of Dragons and fire, and "They" being afraid of the DragonBorn shows something vastly intimate with Skyrims history at the very least, NOTHING from Akavir. I'm not saying I dont want Akavir in Skyrim, Im saying what little we know which is very direct as it is has nothing to do with the Ka'po'tun or Tsaeci, both are very distinct. and if they were remembering the Tsaeci, they would have refered to Snakes, not Dragons.

jeesh people defend this with such fervor I wouldnt be so inclind to elaborate if you guys weren't going around saying -THIS IS FACT- I've an easier time going with the guy that did some extensive research especialy having next to no knowledge on TES lore, and getting some plausible arguments on Akatosh's involvement.

Do you know what is the problem with the Tsaeci? It just doesn't sound good. I mean, Akaviri sounds better, if you know what I mean.

I really hope that it is an Akaviri invasion. But the teaser clearly said they were already here, as in, not a return but an awakening. I am inclined to believe it is the Aedra attempting to escape the mortal plane that they were trapped in by the Lorkhan when he created Nirn.

Akavir is four countries, who would never band together for anything. Saying Akavir would invade somewhere is against the established lore.

I don't think so, in the teaser it clearly shows the Dovahkiin holding his shield up against a dragon who is breathing fire at him. I'm pretty certain that the dragons are enemies.

From the PGE: "The high crafts of daikatanas and dragonscale armor came from Akavir, as did the banners and military dress of Septim's shock troops, the Blades. The Red Dragons that have come to represent the Empire and the Imperial City were originally Akaviri war mounts. Akaviri surnames are rare and prized possessions among the Cyrodilic citizenry of today, and there are trace facial features of the Akaviri in many distinguished Cyrodilic families. Some colonies of "true Akaviri" still exist in both the Empire and its border regions, but they are named so only for their practices and customs than for the purity of their blood."

also "The Second Empire is divided into two stages: the Reman Dynasty and the Akaviri Potentate. As mentioned in the text, after the Akaviri raiders had been defeated, Reman recruited many of them into his service. Later Cyrodiils traditionally kept a House Guard of Akaviri, and the Emperor's chief advisor, the Potentate, was usually of Akaviri descent"

That explains how dragons and Akavir are related (let's not forget that the original invasion came through Skyrim, and happened to lead to the rise of Reman's Second Empire, which the Tsaesci were able to eventually take control of to rule Tamriel -- coincidence, I'm sure.). So "their defeat was merely delay" is clear enough, if we're talking about Tsaesci.

But what about "they're already here"? Well, the obvious answer is that there is an invasion that the speaker's audience is just starting to prepare for, unaware that it is already well underway. But let's say it does mean that the threat was dormant in Tamriel the entire time, either waiting to be awakened... or waiting for the right time to strike. What about this:

"And in the days of interregnum, the Chim-el Adabal was lost again amid the petty wars of gone-heathen kings. West and east knew no union then and all the lands outside of them saw Cyrodiil as a nest of snakemen and snakes. And for four more hundreds of years did the seat of Reman stay sundered, with only the machinations of a group of loyal knights keeping all its borders from throwing wide.

These loyal knights did go by no name then, but were known by their eastern swords and painted eyes, and it was whispered that they were descended from the bodyguard of old Reman [note: the passage from the PGE above suggests the Reman dynasty used Tsaesci bodyguards]. One of their number, called the Chevalier Renald, discovered the prowess of Cuhlecain and then supported him towards the throne. Only later would it be revealed that Renald did this thing to come closer to Talos, anon Stormcrown, the glorious yet-emperor Tiber Septim; only later still, that he was under instruction by a pig.

Long glory was wife to the all the knights of the dragon-banner, who knew no other and were brothers before beyond many seas and now were brothers under the law named the blade-surrender of Pale Pass. And having vampire blood these brother-knights lived for ages through and past Reman and then kept guard over his ward, the coiled king, Versidue-Shaie. The snake-captain Vershu became Renald became the protector of the northern west when the black dart was hooked into Savirien-Chorak."

It could be misleading conspiracy theory nonsense (TES doesn't like to give objective lore, which I love), but the implication is that the leadership of what would eventually become the Blades are in fact Tsaesci who live still from the time of the first invasion -- ageless but with the appearance of humans. And the reference to the time of interregnum and failed empires... sounds an awful lot like Tamriel after Oblivion, and especially after the events of The Infernal City, yes?



Apropos of nothing, one of Daggerfall's books tells the story (probably fictional, even within the gameworld), of a hero named Lysirius (somehow associated with the Daedric Prince Boethiah) who manipulated a powerful dragon into destroying an army of Akaviri.



Unless one of the countries prevailed and subjugated the others.


EDIT: My personal conspiracy theory: considering how handily the Akaviri whooped Uriel V, the Skyrim invasion was never intended to serve as a true conquest -- it was intended to terrify Tamriel into uniting under a single Empire, which the Tsaesci would then be able to control from behind the scenes. Much easier to subjugate people when they don't realize it happened. The actions of the Blades can be seen, in this light, as a means of protecting the Empire itself, as an implement of Tsaesci rule re-established under Talos.

In fact, Talos himself may have been a Tsaesci imposter, or at least may have had one in the Underking. Consider "and there are trace facial features of the Akaviri in many distinguished Cyrodilic families" and "Later, many Nords could not look on him without seeing a dragon.". Snake, dragon, a reptile is a reptile.

I want to see a Falmer Attack, not an Akaviri one. Plus, think about it: ICE elves would be afraid of dragons because they breath FIRE, right? Makes sense, huh?

Doesn't seem likely, not with Skyrim as the setting. It's the elvish versions of the pantheon that regret the creation of Nirn, not the human versions. We might have Akatosh/Aldiun trying to eat the world, to bring about the next one, but the other Aedra will pretty much be on the side of mortals.

I really like your post, but I think that the conspiracy theory part is a bit far fetched.

"No one believed that they even existed!"

!= Akaviri people.

= Dragons.

The Empire banner is a dragon, there are dragon statues a little everywhere (Talos plaza, Ebonheart and now the Temple of the One), the Empire is known as the Empire of dragons, Tiber Septim is known to have had a Dragon working for him and the ruling god of their pantheon is a dragon. People in Tamriel fully believe that dragons existed.

I do think the Akavari will be in Skyrim, infact I was talking about that possiblity yesterday with my friends. The Akavari are a lizard-like people, right? Well normally dragons are thought to be a lizard-like creature as well. And on a USEPWiki page about dragons, it even says that they're are related to the Akavari. If the little teaser that was put out has anything to do with dragons being in the game, which is pretty much obvious, then I beleive there will be Akavari somewhere in Skyrim.

If you'd read the thread, you'd learn that a defeated invading force of akaviri snake people was integrated into tamriel society around the end of the first era. so technically they are "already here"

:confused: :facepalm:

No, the 4 races we know from akavir are Tsaeci (lizards) Ka'Po'tun (catlike men with their leader said to have become a dragon, Kamal Snow "demons" and Tang'mo Monkey like race.

k?

No one wanted to believe they existed.


FFS the Tsaeci, the ONLY race to invade Tamriel from Akavir, as far as the common populace is concerned Nothing is know about the Ka'po'tun, most don't even know they exist much less their name. the Tsaeci are the ones who invaded Tamriel and are deeply immersed in its history and Founding of the empire, so anyone is is worthwhile in Tamriel knows at the very least who the Tsaeci are.

The Tsaeci have nothing to do with Dragons EXCEPT for warring AGAINST Dragons and ultimately beating them off. as it stands the Tsaeci are hinted to once have been the dominant force with the Tang'mo and Ka'po'tun (strongest at the moment but have little to no navel forces) in a light alliance, and the Kamal are frozen for the time being.


and the Tsaeci that were in Tamriel are either unmentioned later in the Era's or have been KILLED OFF by the Morag Tong.
stop throwing around words and associating an Entire continent to one entity hell bent on coming to tamriel in skyrim, its not happening....jeesh

Wrong.

The banners, the statues and the lot are references to Akatosh, because the Septim dynasty are related to Akatosh.

You can not hide your head under a bush and say that nobody can not see you, the whole trailer is about the dragons and their return, not Akaviri invasion.

I don't think so , seems like dragons and akvariri invasion would be too much . Next game possibly but

The funny thing is, it's usually the people saying something is far-fetched that are wrong. I think when the game releases, a lot of people are going to be thinking, "wow, I woulda supported this wouldn't happen to my death =/".