You totally missed the point of my post: "They" in the trailer can't be dragons, because their existence can't be disputed by inhabitants of the Empire. Dragons served in Tiber Septim's army, it is an historical fact. Doesn't mean the game won't have dragons, it just mean that the "invading" force can't be just dragons, because people believe they existed. You can't ignore the Elder Srolls lore about dragons, just because you don't want to see anything else.

And some correction to what you claim:

The Imperial banner is Akaviri (Tsaesci) inspired (like 99% of the Empire from the Fighters Guild to the Blades going by the Legion and the armors/weapons designs) and Tiber Septim isn't related to Akatosh, he actually got stronger ties to Lorkhan/Shor anyway and was a Nord/Breton. The Nords don't like Akatosh and some of them actually want him out of the pantheon.

Also, if you go with just plain dragons, I would like to note that Aka mean dragon and vir mean land. Or if you need help reading: Akavir = Dragonland.


As for what I believe the game is about, I think "They" is the Underking. He don't have much to do with dragons, beside one of his "personalities" being called Ysmir Kingmaker, the Dragon of the North. But I do think that the Akaviri just make nice fodders, like the Mythic Dawns cultists did in Oblivion and the Six House was in Morrowind.

Men have died out in akavir.
So unless you want to be invaded by:
Kamal - Snow demons
Tang Mo - Monkeys
Tsaesci - Vampire snake people...
Ka Po' Tun - Tiger like cat-people who think they can turn themselves into dragons...

The dragons of Akavir are all dead, so that leaves the Ka Po' Tun to invading, assuming they managed to turn into dragons.
Their leader Tosh Raka claims to have turned into a dragon. It is much more likely that he claims to have become a dragon as some sort of a claim to power than actually transforming into a dragon. Maybe to them the word dragon has come to mean emperor, and he is simply their emperor...

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mysterious_Akavir

The empire used Dragons in their armies in the past.....ok except for that ONE fable with the psycho who used a Dragon (1) to wipe out a TSAECI! Army, tell me where the heck do you see Dragons, LITERAL Dragons being used in the Empirical Army.

lol people love just throwing words around, Yeah Akavir is called Dragon land because thats were -DRAGONS- came from its what the races who live there called it, not anyone from Tamriel, none of the other races even look like Dragons and as far as the people of Tamriel are concerned the only -Akaviri- they know who would return are the TSAECI, thats the only race of Akavir they would -know- about mmk? now why would they be afraid of the -Dragonborn- when Akatosh's lineage even HAD TSAECI(Akavir) Body guards at one point, who also were the inspiration for the blades?

Does that sound like an ancient sleeping enemy? if they used -DRAGON(S)- (as you say) in their army in the past, why are either feared to return? hmm? it starts getting annoying when people start throwing around absolutes, This is this and that is that therefore they MUST be coming in Skyrim.

In Redguard. There was a dragon who served as a mercenary in Tiber Septim's army. Of course, in 'modern day' Tamriel, that's far enough in the past that it might now be considered only a fable by most, perhaps explaining why people didn't believe they existed.

hmmm, example I guess.


the trailer, is depicting a force, or a group that either the general populace has no idea about and is uniquely tied with Dragons and who are undoubtedly the enemy at this point, and can be thwarted by the Dragon born. but! it is not refering the the empire which may or may not be whole at this point (no timeline) and is interconnected with Skyrims state of affairs. the Tsaeci do not fill this niche, and the Ka'po'tun HAVE NEVER BEEN TO TAMRIEL, hence the /they have awaken/ & /They have return/ sets a glorious blaze to the Ka'po'tun assertions. Ciphers dip into the Tamriel lore is gaining more and more footing shored up against this. :confused:

What's with people being so rude in this topic?

We're probably gonna know the answer in three days and people are disputing like never before

Wow thank you for educating me with your vast wealth of knowledge *No sarcasm* I was merely comtemplating the POSSIBILITY of this happening and had no idea there were such afficionados (es?) of the Akavari peoples. Thank you for enlightening me

We are a rare generation in Tamriel, when few of us have seen any denizen of Akavir. I suspect that we're lucky in that. - Late, Third Era

Tee-hee, nope:
Once Ada'Soom Dir-Kamal, a king among demons, attempted to conquer Morrowind, but Almalexia and the Underking destroyed him at Red Mountain.

Jeez, I came into this thread knowing what I think, but after 5 pages, i'm confused haha.

I personally think it will be either dragons (not neccesarily as enemies), or another country from Akavir that saw how the Tsaeci invaded through Skyrim and thought "Hmm, maybe we could be more sucessful" but I highly doubt that'll be the case

Why is everyone jumping to conclusions that is Akavir? Its very plausible, and I personally love the idea. But why doesn't the other enemies of Tamriel get attention? No love for the Sloads of Thras? Why can't it be the Maormer of Pyandonea?

I thought the Sloads were nearly wiped out?

The God of Worms resurrected Thras. He's kind of a big deal over there.

Sloads? What the..... Okay, I really gotta read up on the lore...

http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/gallery_files/mw_TAoM_p47.jpg

They like corpse magic.

Wasnt this already a topic?

I'd really like to see Sloads someday. Maybe TES VI.

I don't imagine mucous critters do all that well in frigid cold.

In the background of the trailer there were men fight men, I'm thinking a dragon is controlling an army of some sort.

Hmm the Kamal made an attempt eh? what on nirn would make them change their routine of attacking the Tang'mo for centuries just to make a league of leagues trip to Tamriel? interesting.


and no I wouldn't be saying anything if people were coming off as

"hey I see this and I see thatg, you think there is a chance that this could happen?"

no all I see are people with assertions and beating sticks (on both sides) bringing up aspects that also existed when morrowind was released but did not result in an akavir invasion, if people weren't so inclined to be absolute in this Akavir invasion then it would really be a discussion, not a debate. the latter of which is completely pointless at this very moment. never said I did not want Akavir in Skyrim, I said the arguments for it are fallacy bliviongate:


..... :teehee:

Funny you should ask that question in this forum.


Well. I'm content, so [censored] it.

Maybe the dragons are only a metaphor for a prophecy of a mighty warlord who will lead an army in Skyrim and burn it down like a dragon fury. In the main quest you could choose to help either of warring factions to prevail in war. Since it sounds like a FNV rehash I doubt that that theory is true but I still would prefer it to standard fantasy cliche of saving the world of ancient evil.

An Akaviri invasion was actually one of the initial thoughts I had when originally watching the teaser. :dance:

because the lands of the sloads are far to the south of tamriel.
plus, its a hell of a long way to swim to skyrim (which is the northenmost province), thus making the attack of the akaviri far more plausible

According to several maps Akavir is 4000 miles away....

In addition the maomer and imperial navy have had sea battles, sloads lands of thras was decimated in a fight as well (however it's back) those entities are far closer to Tamriel then Akavir, which was so distant that Tiber and his forces had difficulty just keeping shor communication with their mages.....why do you think so few battles occur between continents

Usually, those initial thoughts are right. I had the same initial thought when I found out the title of TESV