My point is it is as cheep as camping is. Lequis is saying that all heavies are gonna be campers. By that logic all lights are gonna be run and gunners. Two ends of the spectrum.

So I can't sit and hide? Or run around like crazy? Or walk? Wraith uses Flight!! :spotted owl:



So what is FAIR??

Lights have to use this pistol. http://www.hardwaresphere.com/2009/03/18/pure-back-fire-gun-the-shoot-yourself-gun/

Everything

Camping, running and gunning, taking a stroll... It doesn't matter how you play, as long as you benefit the team.
You guys were only talking about shooting, but let's say a medic is camping in a corner, not to shoot , but to distribute health and buffs. Ofcourse it would be better if he'd just stay with his team, but atleast he's trying to help.
Now on the other hand, let's take a light operative, running and gunning behind enemy lines, distracting some of the other team's players and then using interrogate. Is he playing cheaply? No, he's helping the team by distracting and interrogating.

Anyways, my main worry is the balance of used classes. A common problem on Wolfenstein ET was the Rambo medic, a medic wandering off on its own. He had the most health and he could heal himself. In most cases (public matches) the team with the best rambo's and some objective playing engineers would win.
Now, I'm afraid that something similar will happen to this game.

I really dont see why people hate campers. If anything you know exactly where they are next time around.

Still there are plenty of areas that only lights can go.



That is a very good point, they ruined the game.

Sure, and they can get over objects that would block others paths but I think what he is trying to say is that heavies wont be svck on the ground floor subject to ambushes from above every time.

I think the reason the guy loves the lights so much is because he will be able to fulfill his dreams of being a ninja and doing cool parkour moves. But I'm pretty sure medium can do them too.

Yes, to a certain extent. Lights can do the most, heavies the least, and mediums in the middle

You know...

there are reasons some people aren't game designers.

I'll leave it at that and let you be the judge of what I mean

I was worried about this too until I realized that the severely reduced EXP gained for kills as opposed to objectives will like convince most to change their ways quickly because if there's one thing that group of players (generally speaking of course) loves more than shooting people it's unlocking shiny new toys. It should be fine but we'll just have to wait and see.

some crazy kids will probably unlock all weapons/skills/skins/etc... for all of their 16 characters within a week
lmaooo

That the game will be too short.

That the game will have vehicles. :spotted owl:

WORD!
back on topic: i'm afraid that that the specs might blow even my i7 machine with 4GB RAM and i won't be able to play in a decent resolution. ... :cryvaultboy:
...
still better as on console :wink_smile:

Also... this game is all about moving, jumping and shooting all at once... You can even slide tackle while unloading SMG to their nuts!

Quickscoping ONLY works on sniper rifles that kill in one shot.... there is no such thing in Brink, and even SHOTGUNS take at least 2 shots at close range.... so this is a complete non-issue in Brink. In other games, as noted, it DOES take some measure of skill to do, though lets be honest, it's not that hard, it almost always makes the sniper rifle an OP weapon (not always...), AND the pond scum dot their screen to make it even easier.


Finally... this is STILL a SHOOTER. Thats what the S means in FPS. There is SUPPOSED to be a HEAVY influence of killing the enemy... its the whole damn point!

Ya yah, objectives herp durp... I know I know.... This game has objectives, Objective completion is the GOAL to win, you MUST play for objectives or you get anywhere. Doesn't change the fact your doing these objectives with a gun in your hand, and the idea is to SHOOT AND KILL any opposition that gets in your way of your goal. For this, you will need experienced shooters.

Now, obviously ppl running around on the edge of the map trying to get a high K/D and rarely fighting around the actual objective aren't going to help. BUT if you simply move that person closer to the objective at hand... all of a sudden he/she becomes a boon. Sure, they might not be running through fire to actually TRIGGER the objective, but cover fire is cover fire, and given that most of the action will be around the objectives, HOPEFULLY, players more interested in kills then anything else (say max rank chars) will also realise the best place to do so is near the objective

Ok I removed some post and should have removed more. Please note that this forum will not be used to bad mouth or diss people who play certain games, play a certain way, play on a certain console or certain platform or to label folks "crazy kids". Keep those kinds of finger pointing off this forum. Discuss game play. Discuss what is in the game. Discuss strategy, story line, or whatever else you like, but leave the name calling and finger pointing for somewhere else.

that a whiny kid comes on and brings disgrace to kids like me, who don't whine. it's possible.

That the game will be too short and have no DLC.

Yeah! Valve took a stand! If we have to charge money to give content to our fans, NONE OF THEM GET IT!

Valve then proceeded to save the princess and someone remain the only corporation in the world people don't realize is just out for money because of the fact the update a game they didn't even finish by any FPS standards for free.

I still love their games though.

BRINK may have too few maps to play on;
or they may go the lame variation of same maps route.
And DLC may cost. Aliens versus Predator's DLC costs when it really really shouldn't.




So hilarious. o _ m _ g .

My only worries are that I'm gonna have to upgrade my comp to fully enjoy the game (I think I could find money though), there's nothing but "silent games" with no coordination going on or "witty banter between a bunch of cultured gentlemen" (read drunk-tank conversation), and that the game will be too short and/or have a very TF2 selection of maps as far as general theme and aesthetic goes.

Well, at the very least, you wont have to worry about "variation" maps, each map has its own place in the plot, and its own story line. So, the maps wont be variations - they should be more unique than any FPS to date. As far as the numbers, each level is going to be a map, so there will at least be a dozen or so. If that is "too few", or how many you consider worth playing will all be up to opinion.

And with DLCs, I think that they may charge for extra weapons or customizibles, but charging for new maps or patches doesn't seem likely to me.

They said no going back, replaying anything, 10 hours of gameplay on both campaigns. That kinda worries me.