Does anyone else feel like punching a wall when they see some Call of Duty addict say the want ESV to be like rune scape and WoW. I was on the Xbox dashboard and I noticed IGN's winning idea was for it to be a mass multilayer MMORPG. Then there are people wanting guns. Then people who just think none Tes things would 'fit' in.



I might not have shared this in the most clearest fashion but does anyone else worry that mainstream gamers who will play the game for 10 minutes then can it while we play there idiotic ideas for another 5 years? :brokencomputer:

Possibly, but not for the things you mention here, like guns and multiplayer... that's simply not gonna happens (I hope). But it's true there are most likely gonna be some things that are designed to appeal to casual gamers we wish they had not put in. Let's just hope it wont be alot tho

Wouldn′t want TES to turn into Fable, the first Fable game was fine, but they have been getting worse and worse with time with crap like guns and companion pets in them. Also yeah, multiplayer or any co-op + guns = bad for TES.

Just gotta trust Bethesda not to screw up the game, even if they did screw it up and then tried to mend it in the next game it′s really hard to ignore something like that.

For some reason i get really, really angry when these topics come up as 'great' ideas and win competitions. :banghead:

Luckily the developers aren't stupid ^^

:intergalactic:

Does it annoy me? I'd be lying if I said it didn't. Do I worry about something like that coming to fruition? No, not really. Those kind of players don't really 'get' what the spirit of TES is, and though at times Beth makes design choices to make their games more accessible, I doubt that they would ever cater the TES series entirely to that particular crowd. As it is now, they have something akin to a monopoly on a niche market. Why homogenize it to compete with a dozen other titles with similar themes? If they wanted to go that route, they could have made Fallout similar to a post-apocalyptic Halo, and yet they didn't.

I fully agree. I know Bethesda won't do this, but I worry that... someday, someone goes mad there and end up screwing the franchise so that the mainstream loves it and the hardcoe hates it.

It's something that is 99.99999% unlikely to happen, but I still worry about that 00.000001%

This is pretty much my view too...

Then Bethesda will have to deal with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwyMB19q7ms.

But seriously, I honestly believe that those "great ideas" come from 12 year olds.
TES has never been a kid's game, but ever since Oblivion they can play it too and don't quite understand it.

If you let them do a remake of 2001 a Space Odyssey it will probably have lightsabers in it too.

I think older fans tend to be more loyal to one or a few game series and less likely to jump on to trending games (at least I am) and that demographic is steadily growing.
TES will be better of with the approach of winning people over for their unique style of gameplay instead of changing theirs to the taste of the main audience.

well spoken. :thumbsup:

I don't share your optimism but i hope you are right.

OT. Yes it does annoy me. Every time someone mentions The Elder Scrolls and MMO in the same sentence i am crying inside. How many Medieval Fantasy MMOs are there? Why can't they just leave TES alone. If they really love the experience Bethesda and TES offer, then why are they so eager to drastically change it? Is it because they think a TES MMO can give them something the hundreds of other fantasy MMOs out there can't?

Yeah, it really grinds my gears. I just watched the AC7 trailer. Tailoring to CoD audiance of attention span of moths 10 year olds. Makes me want to cry. However I can rest easy knowing Bethesda won't fall to the dark side and make games terrible like that. They know what their fans want =D

That first post felt depressing... and I'm not saying it as a criticism against it or it's author...

Yes it annoys me ALOT.

I feel that when a multiplayer of some sort is added. The single player experience usually is a let down. I think if Skyrim did have multiplayer it would be a waste of time for Bethesda, i see that going stale within months as all the casual players flock back to BlackOps (or the new Modern Warfare) It just seems at this point in time where games like CoD and WoW take up most of the multiplayer slice, it would not be a good idea for Skyrim.

Plus, this is TES, having it be a MMORPG or multiplayer is blasphemy and heresy!

Onto guns however, i have always been tempted by it, obviously not such guns as the M4 or a sniper rifle. But say an old musket. That i wouldn't mind.

luckily Todd will be able to tell a ridiculously absurd idea like turning TES numbered series into a MMO or adding guns.. to good ideas like adding werewolves and mounts.

luckily we haz modders to fix whatever we don't like

Erm, folks already decided that guns won't work, that they might work via Dwemer, should be either dropped in via a falling mage from the sky or blow up in your hands, or be laser guns (which were proven to be nothing more than shock damage down a rod Also, it seems that most people assume that there would more than one gun, it'd be usable, and be modern. Personally, I think I'll just sit this one out today and track targets

Oh, there was a poll here as well that ended up something like 350 against and 5 for guns. Of course, to make you worry a bit, please remember that this forum is not representitive of the millions who will buy the game

HA! Good Fun!

:)

Oh, no it doesn't annoy me, since I don't visit those sites and am not emotionally invested in Skyrim. Also, I wouldn't mind one steampunkish limited usage gun via way of an extremely well thoght out quest like the Golden Pantaloons. BUT it'd be kind of funny in a black humor kind of way to get some popcorn and watch this place if they dd do something like that :chaos:

What's wrong with that guy? He just pointed out an issue in the lore of some game.

I thought that was the point?
Bethesda would screw up the lore and fans like him would tell them. :tongue:

Oh, sorry, I interpreted the post wrong.

The term mainstream is a little exxagerated often. Call of Duty isn't mainstream, its a hardcoe game. Especially its competitive multiplayer aspect.
I'd call iPhone and other mobile gaming mainstream.
And no it doesn't annoy me at all. Because we're not going to see guns in Skyrim, thats would be just ridiculous :rofl:

Mainstream is where the top dollar is, and the corporate machine will always be greased to chase paper, brothers.

And you spelled 'annoyance' wrong.

i hate the casual, 13 year old COD gamer who thinks they are a hardcoe gamer because they did well on a certain match.

i feel like the once staunch and mighty PC game has succumbed to the casual audience and become mild mannered and soft.

Right, what is the definition of "mainstream" on here? Popular/profitable, stupid/dumbed down, choice of console, FPS lovers or just generally a bit trigger happy, or maybe the amount of time spent playing? The threads and comments that keep popping up on the subject are baffling me.

[Edit]: add age into that question as well - is that a signifier too? And are "casual" and "mainstream" gamers seen as one and the same?

Screw guns... I'd settle for a spear and a crossbow. XD

But seriously... if they add in crossbows I'm sure some modder will create a gun based on it at some point. ^^

The streamlining of Oblivion killed thrown weapons, spears, and crossbows... maybe in this one they'll put 'em back? ^^