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I'm really excited for SK. I'm sure I'll lose myself to it just as much as the other TES titles. As my name suggests, I like knights. Ever since I was a kid I had a thing for knights and things of that nature. I also enjoy the alteration skill, even moreso than I loved the hth skill. I plan on buying Sk as soon as I can, I may even go to my first ever midnight release for a game simply because I'm so excited for a new TES game.

It's not like I played TES because it was the best hth fight simulater I could get my hands on. :rofl: I enjoy TES games for loads of other reasons. I love rpgs like TES and FO.

It's just, hth was my second favorite skill. As my avy shows, I'm a dbz fan. I'm a fan of martial arts, and things of that nature as well. (Yes, I know dbz isn't real martial arts.) One of the many reasons I love TES is that it allows you to play as a hth superhuman monk. It ties two of my favorite things together. Medievial knights/fantasy and martial arts. And much to my enjoyment, FO3 actually increast the viability of hth, so I was excited to see how they would improve it in SK. And when I heard they were going to scrap hth all but alltogether, I was shocked. Stupified even.

FO3 has guns, but they took the time to improve hth. So I figured they'd take it to the next level, or at the very least bring TES hth up to the lvl it was in FO3.

I'm just sad to see one of my fav skills get watered down so much. I wish I could voice my opinion loud enough so that the devs would change their mind. Odds are against me, but still. I'm stubbern.

Mods!

The forum is full of these type of issues now. "spellmaking was useless" "stats weren't necessary" "Acrobatics....." you get the point.

What it seems like to me, is that Bethesda would rather get rid of features than build upon them. If armor degredation truly is out, along with armorer, this would be a prime example. They could easily make armorer a more interactive and fun skill to use, but make it much more difficult to find the right materials to do so successfully so you don't constantly level up. The same could be said for many of the other things scrapped entirely. Spellmaking, make it so you have to not just collect souls but ingredients, make it a mini-game like lockpicking where only the correct formula will wield a new spell with varying degrees of power depending on how you do. These are just examples.

Just because some of you guys exploited the spell-making altars doesn't mean everyone did. And just because some of you don't enjoy or use hand to hand doesn't mean everyone didn't.

Edit- Just to put the flame shield up. Skyrim will be one of my favorite games of all time I am sure, they had me at TES:V. But there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with some of BGS's moves. To each their own, that's just my 2 cents.

I believe Pete HInes said it best. Bethesda doesn't give a hoot about the opinions of a bunch of people debating a game they have never played. they give the hoots about those opinions AFTER the release date
so we should probably trust that Bethesda has something up their sleeve on those subjects. if not, then nitpick away after 11-11-11

btw, that example on spellmaking has already been done. and it's the most popular Oblivion mod of all time on TESNexus

If i couldn't double enchant my gloves as weapons when empty-handed I wouldn't use it anyway.

Believe me, I know of the mod.... But unfortunately not everyone has access to mods, some console users may have lost their favorite play-style here with no way to get it back.

I realize that every game is standalone, unique and only truly connected by the freedom and massive gameworlds, and that is fine with me. I will reserve my harsh judgement until I play it, and I'm sure I'll still enjoy it a ton.

My point is really more about people claiming it doesn't matter that it is out because they never used it anyways. First off that is selfish, and second they haven't played the game yet either. So how do they know what features they will or will not like? (being concerned =/= complaining, I'm still a fan)

Man, it's been pointed out, but it really gets me when people argue realism in a fantasy game. Especially when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about. Below is my favorite example of ignorance.



Lol.

Anyways, even in the Fallout games, H2H wasn't all that great. I'd definitely like an H2H skill, but only if it was massively improves. It was pathetic at best in previous TES games.

:goodjob:

And I fully respect it even though I feel it is nonsense. :icecream:

There is a recurring theme in SR. Beth treats such and such poorly in OB....rather than fix or improve in SR, they gimp it or cut it out entirely.

h2h is a fun skill. Most of my character went unarmed and only picked up daggers on occasion. It is nice that they at least did not cut h2h out entirely but the skill is now nothing more than a sideshow clown act like chopping wood. Since real-world things like strength or endurance don't exist any more using h2h is now a complete waste of time. It's not like you are going to get stronger or anything by using it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It0cfKI0wcI&feature=player_detailpage#t=73s.

I always thought that Hand 2 Hand should have been akin to stealth game-play of TES series. To me, fighting with a small dagger and close quarters combat go together hand to hand (no pun intended) and they both kill silently.
I would have liked to see wrestling as a fighting style though, as the OP mentioned, cause tossing people over my shoulder would be kick ass. follow that up with my gladius through their gut, and you got yourself a an awesome Hand 2 Hand/Blade combination.

I don't get why people think they should respect opinions they feel are nonsense. You think this guy's an idiot? Say so! There's nothing wrong with that.

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but has someone brought up the argument of Bethesda's lack of warranting the removal of H2H? They gave their reasoning for removing Athletics, Acrobatics, and Mysticism, but I don't think they've explained why they removed H2H.

I'll save you the trouble of reading flamers..

People wanted it in and IMPROVED not just removed. Blocking with your wrists IS dumb. You have a point. It would have been cool if they had made dodging/counters/grapples and crap like that available instead of axing it however. Cool, but not necessarily better. I'm sure they still have some cool things to do with H2H .

Also fighting a bear with your hands is dumb as well. You're right.

Mostly...I bet there are some Nord/Orc barbarians who could do it though .

Why do they have to give a reason? H2H was never a skill in this game. So, it was never removed. They do what they think is best. H2H was never that interesting of a skill which is probably why they removed it. They could have spent a lot of time making it more interesting, but they chose to spend that time elsewhere.

Also fighting a bear with your hands is not dumb. It is awesome. Anyone who doesn't recognize that clearly has no ambition.

It cluttered up the terribly designed perk tree constellations.

Then why would they explain why they removed Athletics, Acrobatics, and Mysticism. I just want to know Bethesda's reasoning behind this, that's all.

It hurts me to look at it, but I'll post their...erm...http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/31/todd-howard-on-skyrims-worthwhile-glitches-mmos-and-when-big-i/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter.



It's something they weren't going to pay off on. :homestar:


... :sadvaultboy: Troll me harder Todd. Troll me harder...

KNUCKLE DUSTERS

Wow, Todd....just wow. "...we weren't going to pay off on."

So there was no viable reason for its removal? Nice.

Well, that is about as well thought out as every other explanation for gimped/cut game world content. :sadvaultboy:

Game content is usually cut due to time invested vs reward. They could probably do many things, but in the end other aspects of the game would almost always need to be sacrificed in return.

Why the hell would you block an axe with your arm? Unless your Superman, that arm is gone, you're right. Although, hand-to-hand combat is supposed to involve more dodging blows and actually getting away from large, deadly weapons rather than just standing there like an idiot trying to block it with your face. I don't know... did you think about that when you made this thread? :hubbahubba:

I never really used hand to hand in any of my playthroughs for OB so it wont affect me as much as some others. It would be cool to see the different kind of perks used for hand to hand though. You have some cool ideas!

However.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XUgE6g7XU

To be fair though

Did you think about the fact that I was talking about the NPC's that did it? Not your character?
Try fighting an unarmed NPC in Oblivion,they WILL try blocking with their arms.

Also,take a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBNY0dFDM2w