Yeah that is why we don't want a classic games to be remade dumbed down and stripped of everything that made them great just for those that are to lazy to give them a try :rolleyes:

Also original fans don't love eveything made by Interplay/Black Isle. The "Burned Game" was the worst thing to happen to Fallout.

And if I might add the classics are being rehashed by modders like Killap, Timeslip, TeamX & co. Who I trust more than a commercial enterprise.

Remade by the fans for the fans. As it should be! But that's just my opinion. :glare:

Styles, you're too big a devotee of the originals to have an objective opinion about this. You are fiercely protective of the originals, which I understand, but I think somewhere in the minds of the you and the rest of the Dino Squad is the idea that a remake is equivalent to an attack on the originals. It's not, in any way, but you guys react as if it is. And, might I say, you react in a misguidedly elitist, condescending manner that is way out of proportion to the topic.

Do you really expect a game studio would say, 'Hey, let's remake the old Fallouts, but dumbed down! Let's strip them of everything that made them great! Let's make them for lazy people!' Honestly! :rolleyes:

I will torch any heathens who blaspheme the holy disks of thy greatness, Interplay... except the burned game.

Tech-wise, a remake would be kinda problematic though, I'm not sure how you could do it without losing certain features of the original games.

For example: in Fallout 2, when I get to the Den and meet Metzeger's slavers, I like to kill them all using the bit-cheap-but-hilariously-sneaky tactic of locking all the doors of the building they're in, then shooting them through the windows like fish in a barrel. Now, if the game were remade in 3D using Fallout 3's tech, where entering a building prompts a loading screen and moving to a seperate cell, then such deviousness would no longer be possible. It's a small thing I know, but I'd still miss losing that feature.

That said, I would love to see a 3D Den through a first-person view.

It could bring it "outside", and take out the windows.

Well, I guess they could make smaller buildings like the Slaver's Guild not having to load, to have see-through windows and all. It's only like 7 rooms anyway, 5 of those are bedrooms, and then it's the slaver pen out back which is just one room. Bigger buildings would still probably have to load though.

No. Not hardly the Originals are far more "hardcoe"

Same with FNV...its not hardcoe.

A remake is an attack. I know those pro-remake say "they should just update the graphics." Well I am sorry it will be more then just an update of graphics as long as a company like Bethesda or hell even Interplay were to remake it. Bethesda's stance on many issues such as the harming of children and drug use will be removed from the Originals. I also doubt Bethesda would take the time to re model everything to look more like they do in Fallout and Fallout 2. They would just throw in the stuff from Fallout 3 an New Vegas. They will take out alot of the advlt language and sixually suggestive content. Not to mention they would cram locations that can be up to a hundred miles apart and cram them into the size of Fallout 3. I doubt they would keep the map node system. It would svck to be able to go from Arroyo to San Francisco just by walking down a road.. They would also have to add "power armour training" because such a trip would be super easy in a game world crammed into a small space.

As other members pointed out and said things like "I don't think it is necessary" or "the humor was bad" well I bet Bethesda would agree and remove it. Maybe even add their own Michael Bay style crap. They would make it more FPS which Fallout and Fallout 2 are not. The Highwayman in Fallout 2 would not really work well in a remake using Fallout 3's engine. They might even cave and make it so the BoS play more of an active role in the games :unsure:

So in short any remake would be an attack on the originals. The game worlds will not transfer well to Fallout 3 engine or the creation engine. Bethesda will cut content because it is against their morals to have it in their games. It will not really be a remake, more of a reboot.



This ^

If you really want a remake so bad try to find one made by fans for fans. That is right there is still alot of people out there modding Fallout and Fallout 2. Which goes to show how dedicated fans of Fallout can be.

Sure.

Have you played the Originals? Ace didn't play them till after playing Fallout 3, so he isn't some biased old dinosaur. Alot of people on here started with Fallout 3 and then went on to play the originals. Some were even against it simply because they were "old" but they gave in and tried and guess what. They liked them.

I feel like a dinosaur, should I get professional help or is it just a phase ??


Nice strategy! This never crossed my mind... very creative! :foodndrink:


"I hear ya! I AM a true believer, brother. How can I prove my devotion?" :flamethrower:

I have all the Fallout games except Fallout 3, sold it for new vegas and now I want Fallout 3 back.

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No it isn't. :biggrin:
Listen, good sir, we both know this isn't going to happen. Remakes won't be made.
These 'remake' threads pop up every few months and always end the exact same way with the exact same responses.
The originals appeal to you, they don't appeal to me. I'll never get to enjoy those stories in a manner I will enjoy. Sounds like you come out ahead. Isn't that nice?

You don't have to be a dinosaur to know that remaking fallout1/2 is a really bad idea and they would probably screw it leave things out change quest plots. I mean if they remake fallout1/2 fallout 3 style half the quests well be dropped becuase a lot of quests required repair and science which don't work the same way in the newer titles. A lot of dialogue would be dropped because there is over 1,000+ lines of random dialogue that pop-up and there would be no way they voice act all the lines in the originals.



Its not so much they go into a bored meeting and say that its just action speak louder than words and the actions are usually a result of them dumbing down the game and stripping them.

I'm with the Styles and probably the other dinosaurs on the idea that remaking fallout1/2 is a really bad idea.

i've been wondering a lot lately about game remakes. I'm thinking, just like the movie industry, we could see them start to sprout. All it would take is one extremely successful remake and it would start a remake revolution. Could be kind of scary. I just don't know how they'd accomplish it. For a game to be a remake it would have to be, for the most part.. exactly the same.. updated graphics, voice actors.. and nothing else really changed. They could easily make the early fallouts into an open world game without ruining too much.. but I don't see how they'd deal with things like equipment.. There wasn't any random gear in Fallout 1,2 that I remember. .. You'd have to deal with turn based play in a 3d environment. I think it could actually work well if they implemented it correctly.. I see everythng just playing out like it's slow motion. You move your character, fire.. an enemy then moves and fires-etc. You could attach a cinematic replay to it after the end of the battle so you can watch in real time. They could always add the option of real time too. As long as it's just an added feature and not a replacement. You also have games that I think would have licensing issues. Say something like Baldur's Gate.. Would they be able to use the old rules or would the company force them to use the new rules.

Speaking of rules.. I really wish video game rpg rules would get back to the old days. Character creation was more involved and you really had to think about it. It was part of the whole process and really made it fun. They just seem to be cutting that more and more.. replacing with fast paced action and non-thinking leveling. I want a slow paced RPG.. Something that I get to think my way through more than fight my way through.

I don't want to see them remade in the way Beth has turned FO. But I would like a re-release.

This. I agree with the dinos, though I can't really call myself one sense I started with 3.

I think there is a South Park episode related to this, with George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg remaking Star Wars and replacing the entire cast with Ewaks.

Boradam started with FO3 but he's considered a Dinosaur.

Actually i started playing the Originals after i got FNV. When i first see F3 come out i was like "wow that looks awesome but where are the originals?" I never heard of them till i actually looked them up and seen they came out years prior. But i liked Both F1 and F2(so far).

Yep, playing the Originals years ago when they came out isn't a requirement to be a Dinosaur. :fallout:




Well I was in the ballpark. Glad you are liking the originals so far :fallout:

And replace the guns with walkie-talkies? No thanks.

If someone enjoys the Fallout series enough they'd go back and appreciate where it all began. Let Bethesda and Obsidian (should they do another) deal with the future of Fallout.

Nah, it isn′t worth it. Someone that really appreciates fallout would enjoy them. It′s also a risky thing to revive dinosaurs.. oo: