Just because you are not creative doesnt mean we are weird. I play a woman because I am a man in real life, and I want to divorce my character as much as possible from my self.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin

I think he only said Argonian lizards to get Warhammer fans attention, and besides if they were reptiles they wpuld be cold-blooded and not in Skyrim.

It is beyond my ability to raise the IQ of a human...

If by your thinking, Argonians arent of reptilian physiology, then humans are not classified as animals, and Khajits are not of feline physiology. As Khajits are cat-like, Humans are mammal-like, so are Argonians reptile-like. They call this reductio ad absurdum. You are disproven by the contradiction of your own logic.

Argonians are not Pangolin humanoids.

I wasn't saying Argonians were humanoid Pangolins, you said that they have scales so they are reptiles so I disproved it.
And reptile-like does not equal reptile, just because they have some features of reptiles does not mean they are constrained to all of them.


And if you want to get nitpicky, cats are mammals so Khajitts are mammals, and by your extreme logic they are therefore humans :whistling:

They have briasts, they did in daggerfall, and they did in arena. Morrowind was the odd one out. We know very little about the argonian homeland and their breeding, it is my theory that they give live births outside of their swamps, as conditions are not as favorable so the egg instead hatches inside the womb (see nurse sharks) instead of being laid. The Argonians have been said to have a deep connection to the Hist trees, which may be part of the whole process.

1. Argonians have scales. 2. Argonians in many instances have had tails and reptilian jaw, lip, eye, appendages (spines), and leg structure. 3. They are a depiction of mythical lizard folk quite common in the fantasy genre. 4. Todd himself refers to them as lizards. 5. Lizards are reptiles. 6. Argonians are humanoid reptiles.



Yes cats are mammals and so are humans in terms of scientific classification. And yes Khajits are humanoid but not human. Human in the context of species classification is attributed to us (us not being able to be explained without touching on taboo topics of evolution and theology).

If you're confused you can find definitions of the terms reptile, human and humanoid in a dictionary, you may even find simplified information in an encyclopedia.

Lets agree to disagree because your inability to grasp these concepts or discuss them in a constructive way is beginning to bore me.

Just because they share many attributes with lizards does not mean they ARE lizards, unless Todd said they are 100% lizards with no variation (and even if he did he would be lying, lizards can't talk) It is a fantasy game therefore they can be whatever the hell you want


I don't think you understood, (I meant by your EXTREME BLACK AND WHITE NO MIDDLE GROUND LOGIC i.e. Argonians have scales, therefore they can't have brests as lizards don't have briasts) I was being sarcastic.
And I know what reptile, human and humanoid mean, and I didn't say anything that suggested that didn't. The impression I'm getting is you think i'm stupid id I am disagreeing with you


And not having briasts does not make a species hermaphroditic

You completely ignored my post btw...

I'm going to play a man and be fabulous!

I disagree but you are entitled to your opinion. I have merely outlined all the factors that contribute to evidence that Argonians are reptiles, as Khajits and humans are both mammals.




My commentary is that briasts are an aspect of mammalian physiology not reptilian physiology and as such do not correlate with how I think Argonians should be correlated to humanoid form.

Hermaphrodite references are irrelevant as I was not claiming in any way that Argonians are hermaphroditic - a term that usually refers to reproductive organs not appendages such as briasts. Im not sure where you pulled that from in your confusion. I was stating quite cleary that Argonians are reptilian.

And I didnt call you stupid. I would never mention your intelligence or lack thereof. It wouldnt be very nice.

^This. I've never PR'd as a female, save for playing Metroid where it's not optional and Metroids aren't RPGs.

My character (at least my first one) will be a human male (in this case a Nord) because I find it easier to immerse myself if I play a character similar to myself.

And I have outlined the reasons that they are not. Primarily briasts (featured on argornians in every game but morrowind) and you are forgetting the major define characteristic of reptiles, their inability to produce their own body heat, which has not been hinted at being the bane of argonians in any work of lore, be it character dialogue or in-game books.

I see Argonian boobies all the time, what of it? They are humanoid Lizard HUMANS BLOAWHH IN YOUR FACES BOTH OF YOU!!

No but seriously. They do have briasts, they are female. So we can deduce using physical properties of said Argonians, that they A) either have mammary glands, or, B) Todd is a pervert. If it is A) SHE/HE/THEY are mammals. If it is B) Todd is a pervert. That's my 2 cents. Just thought I would pitch in.

Okay sorry, I'm not that good at interpreting text :hehe:


I got the impression you though Argonians were hermaphroditic from the poll option
"I will be Argonian so you wont be able to tell my gender even if I lift my tail for you... ", but that was probably a joke that I (once again) failed to decipher the intention of :whistling:

I agree that they are reptilian, but not that they are reptiles.

The body heat one is the major proof, that and the capability of speech which, with a reptiles physiology, would be quite impossible.

I like playing as a female because they seem more vulnerable to enemies but can do anything a male can do. I think thats awesome. Its an interesting take on gameplay and the dialogue is said to be differently flavoured based on gender and class.

So Im guessing some NPCs may be chauvinistic towards a female character. In a male dominated society like Skyrim I would imagine it would be quite common.

Because everyone knows that vampire assassins = good, but vampire assassins in same six relationships = bad. btw I mean no offense

Anyways I usually always play as a male, but in a recent playthrough of Fallout 3, I played as a woman (of a different race as well) and found it strangely interesting seeing how different NPCs reacted to me. So I might play as a lady on my second or third playing of Skyrim.

Still the lift your tail part makes little sense to me. Looking in that area makes for those who know what they're looking for to six the animal.

IRL EX: http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/dirty-jobs-chicken-sixer.html

It would make sense if it said "only if", not "even if"

To each their own. If there are same-six marriages and what not its not hurting anyone here and its not thrown in our faces so I have no issue with it.

The only issue with a vampire assassin is that sunlight makes fast travel perilous... I dont know if carriage travel will negate sun damage?

Eh, it was my interpretation. Also, I recall Pete tweeted about argonains not being reptiles, citing the briasts present on them.

Lets leave Pete and Todd to argue whether or not Argonians are lizards or not shall we?

Mostly male. I prefer to play as my own gender. However, i'll also create a female character sooner or later. Sometimes it can be fun to play as the opposite six. Any male character i create will be heterosixual and any female character i create will be lisbian.

I voted male but who knows I may try a female too.

Unfortunately there are no stat gender differences in Skyrim. From Q&A: