Is Mannimarco really dead?

Post » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:46 am

So, Mannimarco was rumored to have the power of a god.

We do know that he "survived" for a very long time, he was friends with Galerion, the mages guild founder. So he is very old. Around 1,130 years. He was the first humanoid lich.
That (I think) is what we know is fact (but anything this vague can be changed).

There is more than one Mannimarco.
It could just be that Mannimarco did die (for good) at the Great Battle with Galerion. And when a strong necromancer gains enough power and followers, he labels himself "Mannimarco" and rolls with it. This would explain how it was so damned easy defeat him in OB. In OB you had the combined power of the Arch-Mage (which may or not be the CoC) and Hannibal Traven. So they could have defeated a powerful Necromancer.

It was an Avatar
This would explain why he was so weak in OB. If he was a god, he'd probably be able to send an avatar into Tamriel. I'm not sure about this, but it seems gods are not able to leave their respective realm (wherever that may be). That or they just might be lazy. It seems that instead of effecting something directly, they just kind of sit back and watch, Gods seem kind of lazy like that.

He is dead
This is probably what Beth considers as Canon. He did have considerable power. Making people zombies, even though their still alive. Unheard of in Tamriel, I think.
If I remember right, the only thing that kept the PC from being turned, was the black soul gem with Traven's soul. So it could be that he really was dead. I'm guessing that the PC was a very powerful mage (even though it didn't matter in OB), so its possible he is dead. Or banished, kind of like demons in D&D. If killed in the mortal realm, they would be banished to their home realm for a length of time.


Do you think he is dead? I'm sure lots of people would be mad if they brought him back, but its late, I'm bored, and need something to do.
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Post » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:32 pm

My theory is that we killed the "real" Mannimarco.

Remember, the Warp in the West caused every Daggerfall ending to happen simultaneously. In some Manny didn't become a god, in others he did. We killed the non-god version, but the god version is still out there.

Or something like that.
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Post » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:50 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-hatta-sphinxmoth-inquiry-tree

Apparently, Mannimarco lost his Godhood when Akatosh's servants fixed time during the Warp in the West.
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Post » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:15 am

He got divided into his mortal self and his divine "Necromancer′s Moon" self, making him two "persons" (unsure if you can call his divine self a person, more of a power maybe?).

Thats what I have heard/read at least, I can be wrong.
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Post » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:25 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-hatta-sphinxmoth-inquiry-tree

Apparently, Mannimarco lost his Godhood when Akatosh's servants fixed time during the Warp in the West.

I figured that much, But that still doesn't mean he's dead. He is/was immortal, being a powerful lich and all.

He got divided into his mortal self and his divine "Necromancer′s Moon" self, making him two "persons" (unsure if you can call his divine self a person, more of a power maybe?).

Thats what I have heard/read at least, I can be wrong.


This sounds like a pretty plausible conclusion. Don't suppose you have any sources?
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Post » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:34 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-hatta-sphinxmoth-inquiry-tree

Apparently, Mannimarco lost his Godhood when Akatosh's servants fixed time during the Warp in the West.
Looks like someone is going to have to tell the Necromancer's Moon/The God of Worms that he's not supposed to exist.
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Post » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:37 pm

This sounds like a pretty plausible conclusion. Don't suppose you have any sources?


Well:

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-necromancers-moon

and the Daggerfall ending (all endings happening at the same time).

That book and the Mages Guild storyline in Oblivion shows that the Necromancer′s Moon exists and that atleast the Necromancers think it is their god. And if all the things happened at the same time then it is only reasonable that a still-mortal Mannimarco also roams/roamed Tamriel.


Note: In that book I linked the Necromancers seem to think, or atleast seem to WANT to think that this mortal Mannimarco doesnt exist, or atleast that he isnt the one they should obey and that they wait for an avatar to come down to Tamriel and make "those who would stand in his way will suffer enternally at his hands, just as those who stood opposed before."
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