Ahh it is nice to finally be back on the Elder Scrolls sight. My old account has been banned for some reason... (I honestly dont know) and I have been through Oblivion and back trying to get an account matched with one of my e-mail accounts, but thats beside the point. (one cannot comprehend the frustration of seeing but being unable to speak.)

My first question.

1. Are the Aedra or Daedra more powerful? The Aedra always seem to make rules for the daedra, (i.e. the daedra can do nothing to harm mundus as akatosh told Alessia) and Akatosh totally kicked Dagoth Urs A$$. But at the same time, Boethia turned one of the Aedra into Malacath. (which turned the orsimer into orcs) Which leads me to my next question.

2. Are certain Daedra more powerful than others? None of the other Daedra seem as bad ass as Boethia and Meruhnes Dagon. (i.e. as you find in the Shvering Isles, the daedra feared Jyggilag had become to powerful so they made him Sheogorath.)

3. Moving away from the questions of Aedra and Daedra, when did the Akavir, uhh snake people (Taescei?) live in or consort with the Empire. I recall a book in oblivion that was based on a challenge between an akavir and an Imperial; both of royal blood, (2021 Morning Star i think)and ive read the breaf history of the empire and nowhere does it mention peacefull dealings with the akavir

Oh and another thing,

Where do the dread father Sithis and his brother Sanguine fit into the Aedra and Daedra? or even the night mother? and Ive never understood the relationship between the two.

My take on those questions.



Firstly, it depends on the locations. The Aedra, who contributed to creation, "Mundus" became the laws of the Universe. If the Daedra cannot do something in a certain place, it's that the nature of the locations, and so too thier own nature forbids it. Within the material universe then, the Daedra are not all powerful.

Secondly, you have your villains mixed up. The Nerevarine was the hero who kicked Dagoth Ur's A$$, and that was without the help of the Aedra or the Daedra, though some may contest this either way. Personally I find both the Aedric assistance and the Dagonite assistance proposals rather late, and unnecessary.




SI gives the impession. Mythically, it's whoever has enough worshipers, and each to his/her own sphere. I'd say that Dagon could not tell as lie better than Boethiah, and Jyggalag could not host a party better than Sanguine. Pardon my simplicity though, I'm sure there are much deeper and epistemological drives for Daedric and Aedric behaviour.



We know little of Akavir. One of the, various misjudged endeavors of the 2nd Empire of Tamriel was to invade Akavir. They lost. And there have been, afterwards, various endeavors from Akavir to conquer Tamriel. Somewhere between the eras of the 2nd and 3rd a shared sense of interest grew between the two, and the late 2nd Empire employed various Tsaeci to varying degrees of important positions in it's hierarchy and bureaucracy.

The duel that you alluded to was between the Emperor's son, and the son of the most powerful Tsaeci politician in the Empire, Versidue-Shaie, savvy name huh?

It was the same Tsaeci politician who allowed the assassination of Reman III, (note, allowed, not caused) and who became the first Tsaeci to rule the Empire (of Tamriel.)

I don't think the Dark Brotherhood door refers to Sanguine the Daedra Prince at all. Sanguine is also the name of a shade of red, the reply 'my brother', is likely in response to the male voice that poses the question.

Out of curiosity, do we know for sure? It's just that those books seem to be more of a dramatization than an actual account.

I don't know either, really. It's just an impression I got though.

An empire on Tamriel, not The Empire of course.

Ack, pardon my Tamrielocentrism.

There are no other texts covering the event to suggest otherwise. And Carvolac Townway is more accurate to history than Oblivion's devs.

Sithis is not either, it is the state of chaos, with the counter being anu, which is stasis. Sithis in OB is completely wrong, and horridly perverted. And it is not the daedric prince Sanguine, they actually mean the color.

:facepalm: x100

Just to clarify one point, Akatosh didn't kick Dagoth Ur's ass.

Also,
*good =/= aedra
*bad=/= daedra

Not really.

The Akaviri Potentate. The Tsaesci ruled the Second Empire for some 400 years following the death of Reman III.



The question is "What is the color of night?", and the answer ("Sanguine, my brother.") means the color of night is the color of blood. Fitting for an assassin's guild, no?

Cherry picking fiction for facts doesn't deserve this blind faith you're throwing at it.

Why are you taking such an extremely simple view of it though? Is there a reason? So we know what people in Tamriel generally attribute Sithis to be: What does it mean when the devs, knowing exactly and unequivocally what Sithis is, have a set of characters believing something else?

Blind faith? Actually, blind is a very good word for it, because that possibility is the only one I see. Thus I see nothing else and am blind. Why?
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE. TO SEE. If you find even the flimsiest evidence for an alternate version, put me on your shortlist of people to share it with.

It's really sort of simple.

Hey, that's what I was going to say.

Perhaps you're giving the devs too much credit... :bolt:

Really though, the devs needed their pansy-assassins to have some 'dark lord' syndrome and needed a dark lord and 'Sithis' just sounds cool-give a generally 'bad' force some personification and a shrine and there you go...

But it is quite clear that they are not sane persons acting in a reasonable manner, shouldn't the player take that into account when determining the validity of their claims? This isn't even a questionable situation it seems, the brotherhood members haven't any knowledge of astrology past what the Night Mother tells them.

But it's a dramatization; there are details to crucial events that there's no way that the author could have known.

Valid. You take it with a grain of salt.

But people seem to be fond of taking things with an ICBM warhead full of salt, because trying to discredit all our knowledge of lore feels all tingly or something. Viva la Dark Ages.

=/= is does not equal.

Ok then. I didn't see what you were getting at.

Some people vacate their position in the handbasket sooner than others. Though I am touched at the sentiment that my interest is to discredit someone else's. It's good to know I worry so much. This manner of accepting all lore at face value unless it has been contradicted isn't something I'd prefer to find myself doing, I found that injecting reasonability makes things more interesting.

Then you would walk the long and cold path of BATW.... Or simply, just B.