Map of the New California Republic : Fallout Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:19 pm

Is there one out there? Made by someone with more knowledge of canon than me? If not I can give it my best shot I suppose.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:56 pm

There is no official map of the NCR but its possible they now control most if not all of California into Oregon and Nevada. They might not go into Southern California because of the Glow and areas around it. http://www.project610.com/files/fallout-1-2-map.jpg. Boneyard if LA. San Francisco is home of the Shi a very advanced people so its hard to say if NCR controls them or not.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:34 am

Actually NCR would be there because of the Glow,

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Glow#Dayglow

Anyways thanks, I know there isn't an official map but I'm going to try based off the info from the games and wiki.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:10 am

Actually NCR would be there because of the Glow,

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Glow#Dayglow

Anyways thanks, I know there isn't an official map but I'm going to try based off the info from the games and wiki.

I forgot about Dayglow :tops:

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:03 pm

I'm pretty sure the NCR controls the Baja Peninsula in what was once Mexico. How much of it they control is very much in question, and whether or not they actually control it is as well, but they do have troops there and have for some time. If a map of the NCR did exist, it would likely show at least some territory in Baja.

I PM'd J.E. Sawyer about this a few weeks back but he never so much as took the time to read it (The PM shows the time when it was read). He's obviously a busy man but I'm rather surprised he never checks his inbox...

I am consistently disappointed in developers when I play an RPG that has very rich lore but does not include a simple map of a place that is mentioned a lot but never visited. Some would call that fueling the mystery behind places, but the NCR is not mysterious, and the lack of a map is nothing more than laziness on the part of Obsidian, assuming they ever thought about including a map at all. I'm somewhat of a cartography nerd and can stare at even a simple fantasy map for quite a length of time just fantasizing about what it could be like, and not having maps in games that need them is something of a sore spot for me.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:33 pm

What's really maddening is the NCR in Fallout 2 even has states (Shady, Hub, Los Angeles, Maxson, Dayglow) but we have no legitimate idea what the borders of them actually look like. The states aren't even mentioned in New Vegas.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:57 pm

I remember the soldiers saying "Yeah! House is gone! sixth state of the Union here we come!"

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:15 pm

What's really maddening is the NCR in Fallout 2 even has states (Shady, Hub, Los Angeles, Maxson, Dayglow) but we have no legitimate idea what the borders of them actually look like. The states aren't even mentioned in New Vegas.

They are mentioned in the official guide as being the same states as in Fallout 2 (as NCR wants to annex Vegas as its sixth state). Apparently the NCR didn't expand much to the North after FO2.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:26 pm

They are mentioned in the official guide as being the same states as in Fallout 2 (as NCR wants to annex Vegas as its sixth state). Apparently the NCR didn't expand much to the North after FO2.

YES! There's some unlawfulness (is that even a word?) in the northern wastes!

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:08 am

Well it is definately as far North as Navarro which it conquered sometime after 2246.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:59 pm

Well, northward expansion doesn't necessarily = new states. They could control towns and trade routes as far north as Klamath but the surrounding wastes are still too chaotic for local government.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:20 pm

Well it is definately as far North as Navarro which it conquered sometime after 2246.

Is it actually said they conquered it? I've assumed they only sacked it for anything valuable.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:28 am

New Vegas loading screens tell us that the Boneyard (LA) is NCR territory, and we know ranger a station as far south as the Baja reigion.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:02 am

Somebody posted this map in another thread:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080524040045/fallout/images/7/78/FO1_WorldMap.jpg

It's a rough map - it doesn't really give you boundaries or anything... I was surprised to see their capital appears to be in present-day Nevada.

I also read that the NCR doesn't control the San Francisco area...

Judging by info from FNV, I'd say their southern border is in Northern Baja... since they kept saying NCR troops were being sent in to Baja as if to expand their territory.

I don't believe the Vegas area is NCR territory, the NCR just has a military presence there, and I'd think they'd want to have Vegas annexed to be part of the NCR.

I don't know how far north NCR goes but one person said it controls parts of Oregon... I'm not sure.

From wikia: "In 2241, the Republic consisted of 5 states - NCR (Capitol), Los Angeles, Maxson, The Hub, and Dayglow. By the year 2281 the NCR extended its holdings into the Mojave Wasteland and Baja."

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:41 pm

Is it actually said they conquered it? I've assumed they only sacked it for anything valuable.

It's a huge military complex with super-computers, Vertibirds and equipment needed to maintain them, it's a pre-built base, hell its a pre-built settlement for them to expand further into the north and keep it safe. Why would they not Conquer it?

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:43 pm

I guess you're right.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:08 am

I think NCR goes up past Modoc, someone from Sloan mentions she's from there, and she moved to Mojave Wasteland because most of California isn't exciting enough. (by "exciting" she means dangerous.)

Redding has a place in the senate, so it's not a mere territory, but that already happens in the ending slide for it in Fallout 2. Cass is from Vault City, that's in northwestern Nevada.

Based on Fallout 1 & 2 maps and endings, along with dialogue in New Vegas, NCR goes to southern Oregon, probably around Klamath, and somewhere in northern Baja California, Mexico.

The real life town that matches it's location most with the NCR capitol would be Lone Pine, California, based on Fallout 1's map. (V13 was built under Mt. Whitney)

The other cities in NCR with their real life corresponding cities, based on Fallout 1's world map:
Junktown: Mojave, California
The Hub: Lancaster, California
Maxson: Porterville, California (There is a real city in California called Lost Hills, the BoS HQ may have been moved because the real city was too close to Bakersfield, where Necropolis is located. However, Necropolis on FO1's map corresponds to Barstow, California, not Bakersfield.)
Dayglow: Escondito, California
Boneyard/New Adytum: Los Angeles, California

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:14 am

I think NCR goes up past Modoc, someone from Sloan mentions she's from there, and she moved to Mojave Wasteland because most of California isn't exciting enough. (by "exciting" she means dangerous.)
She doesn't necessarily mean that Modoc is part of the NCR, and it wasn't really dangerous or exciting in F2 either.

Redding has a place in the senate, so it's not a mere territory, but that already happens in the ending slide for it in Fallout 2.
Where did they mention Redding?

Cass is from Vault City, that's in northwestern Nevada.
My theory is that she lived in the courtyard like her dad and left to NCR to find a better life.
Based on Fallout 1 & 2 maps and endings, along with dialogue in New Vegas, NCR goes to southern Oregon, probably around Klamath, and somewhere in northern Baja California, Mexico.
I believe their northern border is pretty much on the same latitude with San Fransico

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:00 am

rusina, Redding is mentioned in two Chief Hanlon's ending slides, here they are:

Spoiler

Defying Chief Hanlon's worst fears, NCR's rangers persevered and distinguished themselves during the second Battle of Hoover Dam. The rangers, along with NCR's many troopers, shared the glory of victory. Hanlon wisely stayed out of the spotlight, crediting General Oliver's leadership for NCR's success. After a brief fanfare, Hanlon stepped down as chief and returned to the peace and quiet of his ranch outside of Redding. - Don't expose the Chief, complete Eureka!. Due to a bug this also appears if you convince the Chief to stop falsifying records.

Despite distinguishing themselves during the second Battle of Hoover Dam, the rangers' victory was short-lived due to the Courier's interference. Chief Hanlon personally directed the evacuation of the rangers to Mojave Outpost as they fell back into NCR territory. Bitter over the waste of life in the Mojave, Hanlon stepped down from his post. After a campaign in which he denounced Oliver's and Kimball's hawkish, imperialist ways, Hanlon was elected as the senator of Redding. - Don't expose the Chief, complete No Gods, No Masters or All or Nothing. Due to a bug this also appears if you convince the Chief to stop falsifying records.

TL:DR Beating New Vegas and completing "Return to Sender" by forgiving Hanlon's false reports messages leads to:
NCR: Hanlon retires at his home in Redding
Mr. House/Yes Man: Elected Senator of Redding.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:05 am

rusina, Redding is mentioned in two Chief Hanlon's ending slides, here they are:

Spoiler

Defying Chief Hanlon's worst fears, NCR's rangers persevered and distinguished themselves during the second Battle of Hoover Dam. The rangers, along with NCR's many troopers, shared the glory of victory. Hanlon wisely stayed out of the spotlight, crediting General Oliver's leadership for NCR's success. After a brief fanfare, Hanlon stepped down as chief and returned to the peace and quiet of his ranch outside of Redding. - Don't expose the Chief, complete Eureka!. Due to a bug this also appears if you convince the Chief to stop falsifying records.

Despite distinguishing themselves during the second Battle of Hoover Dam, the rangers' victory was short-lived due to the Courier's interference. Chief Hanlon personally directed the evacuation of the rangers to Mojave Outpost as they fell back into NCR territory. Bitter over the waste of life in the Mojave, Hanlon stepped down from his post. After a campaign in which he denounced Oliver's and Kimball's hawkish, imperialist ways, Hanlon was elected as the senator of Redding. - Don't expose the Chief, complete No Gods, No Masters or All or Nothing. Due to a bug this also appears if you convince the Chief to stop falsifying records.

TL:DR Beating New Vegas and completing "Return to Sender" by forgiving Hanlon's false reports messages leads to:
NCR: Hanlon retires at his home in Redding
Mr. House/Yes Man: Elected Senator of Redding.

Why haven't I got ending slides for Hanlon? :sadvaultboy:

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:47 am

I made this in about 10 minutes based off my experience and the maps and info that have been posted, and some guesswork relating to state borders, so maybe it belongs more in fanfic. It's not pretty or anything, just kind of a rough draft. You'll notice the fonts are off, that's when I decided to change the colors but couldn't be bothered to retype it all. The unlabeled red represents the Legion (couldn't find anywhere to put that), who are said to have all of Arizona. No one has mentioned it, but in Fallout 2 if the Bishop family gets control of New Reno then they will join the NCR, and that is canon if you talk to Bruce Isaac in Novac.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1152/ncrmap.png

I think the Shi is too big.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:46 am

I made this in about 10 minutes based off my experience and the maps and info that have been posted, and some guesswork relating to state borders, so maybe it belongs more in fanfic. It's not pretty or anything, just kind of a rough draft. You'll notice the fonts are off, that's when I decided to change the colors but couldn't be bothered to retype it all. The unlabeled red represents the Legion (couldn't find anywhere to put that), who are said to have all of Arizona. No one has mentioned it, but in Fallout 2 if the Bishop family gets control of New Reno then they will join the NCR, and that is canon if you talk to Bruce Isaac in Novac.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1152/ncrmap.png

I think the Shi is too big.

Shi look about right (we don't know if they are apart of NCR or not) but NCR should go into southern Nevada where Las Vegas is.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:19 pm

I was thinking more of legitimate control rather than forts and camps where there's still anarchy, but I suppose it could go further west right up to the gameworld area.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:46 am

There is no official map of the NCR but its possible they now control most if not all of California into Oregon and Nevada. They might not go into Southern California because of the Glow and areas around it. http://www.project610.com/files/fallout-1-2-map.jpg. Boneyard if LA. San Francisco is home of the Shi a very advanced people so its hard to say if NCR controls them or not.

Fallout Nebie here. Whats the Glow?

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:05 am

Fallout Nebie here. Whats the Glow?

A place in Fallout 1. Heavily radiated area that was once the West Tek Research Facility, the place where the Power Armor and the FEV (which cause the Super Mutant) was originated and research. Got hit hard in the Great War with a nuke, which is why it is known as the Glow. The place serve as a resource of lore of the game and

Spoiler

part of a fool's errand by the Brotherhood of Steel to kill the player off with heavy radiation just because the player is annoying the BOS.